I hope you did NOT just slash the NFB Tim? I disagree with some of the decisions (E.G., Google Apps case) but please. I think its rather a lack of completely capable commercial organizations such as the W3C, that regulate all programing technologies for internet websites to simply include mandates that create a framework in which companies like FS and GW Micro can opperate. And yes, that can be done by non-accessibility related orgs.
Jorge On Apr 12, 2011, at 1:09 PM, tim wrote: > Well here in the USA. We have the ACB, AFB and NFB. You don't see them doing > anything for accessible software or pushing the big companies in making that > software useable. > So just because they did something or claimed in past, don't mean they do now. > Yes, this can be done, but not enough of the right way can get it together > enough to mean anything. The orgs want profit and press. Sorry, fighting for > accessible software just don't bring in the money! > > > At 11:57 AM 4/12/2011, you wrote: >> All true, but once again we are discussing a large organization, well versed >> in issues of accessibility who have proved that they can mount well designed >> sites accessible to adaptive softwares. They are also an organization that >> does make a major point of promoting their accessibility, they even have an >> entire forum devoted to the people with adaptive software needs. So they >> know about and are able to use the tools you refer to. So to take a >> perfectly well set-up accessible site and launch a new and totally >> inaccessible one, given the source is unexceptable. And honestly, beside >> the point. I want to know how I can use their latest mistake until they get >> their act together and put something better up. Based on previous >> experience it will take a few months before a more user friendly site is >> launched and philosophizing on their inadequacies isn't helping me in the >> meantime. >> >> Joy >> >> >> Please take a few moments to browse and enjoy >> my original artwork at: >> www.tigerfeathers.ca >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: tim >> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 11:46 AM >> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Website problem, New BBC iPlayer >> >> >> Well the problem lays with the programmer. The tools are there to >> make all software and computers useable for those with disabilities. >> However, those tools are consider extra and use plane functions for >> buttons and stuff like that. >> The programmer can still use custom code, but if the accessibility >> functions are not turned on or used. Then its just pretty code for the eye. >> When it comes to programming not much is standard and custom is the thing. >> Also not all accessible code is standard. If it was then wineyes and >> jaws would both be the same. >> Apple is the only one that put standards that all software for its >> platform. Must be useable by voice over. The problem there is they >> don't turn on those features unless asked, but they are there to meet >> the requirements. >> >> At 11:29 AM 4/12/2011, you wrote: >> >yeah, i can see that. but why are there so *many* Flash pages on the >> >Web that aren't accessibly coded? And the BBC prides itself on >> >accessibility. (or should I say, prided? After all, their chatter is >> >now almost all about cutbacks.) >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- From: "tim" <z200...@gmail.com> >> >To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> >> >Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 4:04 PM >> >Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Website problem, New BBC iPlayer >> > >> > >> >>Its working with the flash as its suppose to. >> >>However, the new page given has flash not using accessibility. They >> >>just left it out or someone else did the coding. >> >> >> >>At 10:33 AM 4/12/2011, you wrote: >> >>>There are unlabbelled buttons in the flash content, which JAWS12 >> >>>sees. Mine called the Play button unlabelled 1 button, and if I >> >>>press that to pause it becomes unlabelled 2 button. JAWS11 may not >> >>>be working well enough with this flash content, but in any case it >> >>>is or appears to be rather unsatisfactory so far. >> >>> >> >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Cyr" <delig...@aei.ca> >> >>>To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> >> >>>Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 2:10 PM >> >>>Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Website problem, New BBC iPlayer >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>>Good day, >> >>>>My flash is enabled, and it sounds to me as though you are >> >>>>describing the older, accessible consol which I never had a >> >>>>moments problem with and would like to continue using. The new >> >>>>one is NOT! like that. >> >>>> >> >>>>I am using Jaws 11, and my problems began Sunday night,, ... I >> >>>>use the BBC site for one reason or another at least six days a >> >>>>week and have for over five years, so please believe me this is recent. >> >>>> >> >>>>If they work correctly the two links below should take you to the >> >>>>two different listen again pages they are now presenting. The >> >>>>first is the old accessible page, the second the new page where I >> >>>>have not been able to find the buttons that are still there, somewhere. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/b006qj9z/console >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b00zzz1y >> >>>> >> >>>>----- Original Message ----- >> >>>>>From: Flor Lynch >> >>>>To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >> >>>>Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 7:40 AM >> >>>>Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Website problem, New BBC iPlayer >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>You need to have flash enabled, as the page has a lot of that. the >> >>>>buttons are then read by JAWS. there is the Play/pause button which does >> >>>>what it says. The timeline button allows you to jump by percentage >> >>>>increments, the percentage being of the programme's length. There is >> >>>>also a volume adjust button, and an Adobe Flash popout button. You >> >>>>didn't say which version of JAWS you're using. >> >>>> >> >>>>----- Original Message ----- >> >>>>>From: "Joy Cyr" <delig...@aei.ca> >> >>>>To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> >> >>>>Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 6:28 AM >> >>>>Subject: [JAWS-Users] Website problem, New BBC iPlayer >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>>Good day, >> >>>>>Has anyone come across the new (and supposedly improved) iPlayer that >> >>>>>the BBC uses to play their radio shows online? The "old" one uploaded >> >>>>>and showed a simple consol that was easy for Jaws to navigate. This >> >>>>>new one is displaying a page filled with links, graphics and text. I >> >>>>>had someone sighted take a look and the vital buttons are still there, >> >>>>>and have the same labels: play/pause, volume and timeline, but Jaws >> >>>>>can't find/see them with either cursor. Could this possibly be a Jaws >> >>>>>setting I need to change? Or is there a work around that will let me >> >>>>>find them? Because not being able to hit pause during a three hour >> >>>>>show is a real problem. >> >>>>> >> >>>>>If anyone has any help or suggestions to offer I'd be very >> >>>>>appreciative, >> >>>>>Yours sincerely, >> >>>>>Joy >> >>>>>Please take a few moments to browse and enjoy >> >>>>>my original artwork at: >> >>>>>www.tigerfeathers.ca >> >>>>> >> >>>>>For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> >>>>>http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> >>>>http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> >>>>For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> >>>>http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> >>>http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> >> >> >> >> >>For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> >>http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> > >> > >> >For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> >http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
