Ah, I think i have it now. When you get into the message body, pressing
enter won't take you out of forms Mode. Meantime, I sent you and
brailled in the below (via gmail).
we have to braille in uncontracted, & let jaws do the conversion to
contracted braille.
we now began a new paragraph.
we are using 6-dot braille, and also having to remember that the
punctuation signs are also different (because of computer braille).
excuse the non-capitals; but, not being familiar with 8-dot braille i
don't know the correct keys for them yet.
2
(Ok, sorry about that 2 down there. but as you have seen for yourself,
not everything's the same when you braille in an email via the Web (as
distinct from typing or brailling it in from an email program). the
paragraphing is working as it should.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Flor Lynch" <florl...@iol.ie>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 1:27 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Problem with JAWS BrailleIn
Perhaps there is a setting which controls the enter key from exiting
forms Mode (until, let's say, you get to the submit button). However,
NOT EVERYTHING reads properly IN FORMS MODE, especially in
non-standard forms (of which there are legion on the internet). For
now, my bet is that the Focus 40 Blue or other focus, bbeing an FS
supported display, will not have the problem you have with the
brailleNote from humanware.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Grant Hardy" <grantha...@gmail.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 1:08 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Problem with JAWS BrailleIn
Interesting; I've used webmail clients for upwards of ten years now,
long before auto forms mode was ever introduced, and pressing enter
would always insert a new line in a multi line edit field; the PC
cursor command would take me out of forms mode. I wonder why it
worked
differently on your system - sounds like a bug as it wouldn't make
sense to not be able to interact with a multi line edit field.
Anyways, the behaviour with BrailleIn on my systems works regardless
of whether you are using auto or forms mode as it isn't a forms mode
issue, so feel free to give it a go for me in IE and report back. :)
Grant
On 7/23/12, Flor Lynch <florl...@iol.ie> wrote:
In the Forms Mode as of old and as i still have it set up in IE,
before
AutoForms Mode was introduced a few versions ago, pressing enter
takes
you into Forms Mode and pressing enter again takes you out of Forms
Mode
again. It was not possible then to do multi-line edits there. Thus,
one
advantage of AutoForms Mode. (there are in my opinion disadvantages
to
it, which It is not my purpose to go into here.)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Grant Hardy" <grantha...@gmail.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Problem with JAWS BrailleIn
Multiline edit fields, such as in the Gmail interface, work with
auto
forms mode. If it isn't working for you then there's something
wrong.
ENTER should not take you out of forms mode; that was never the way
it
was intended to work, otherwise you wouldn't be able to make a new
line. The only way should be either to press ESCAPE or the PC
Cursor
command.
Grant
On 7/23/12, Flor Lynch <florl...@iol.ie> wrote:
Where in internet Explorer should i find a multi-line edit field?
(that's why I'm asking about forms Mode. You can't do multi-line
edits
without autoforms enabled; or can you? One could paste in from
Notepad,
but that's not the same thing. I'm still using windows Xp; and, as
I
said, my brailleNote is QWERTY (QT) so the braille grade switching
can't
apply. I can, however, probably test the Focus. Also, i do have
Autoforms Mode enabled in Firefox, so I know that multi-line edits
are
possible there. Oh, I guess I could try an email from gmail, then.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Grant Hardy" <grantha...@gmail.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Problem with JAWS BrailleIn
Hi Flor, no the forms mode issue isn't what I'm referring to -
this
doesn't happen to me. Are you sure that in fact you are using the
correct BrailleNote drivers which support BrailleIn? If you're
not,
then you won't be able to type in grade two Braille and the
letters
will do other things (i.e. I believe the letter A will switch
Braille
display modes). I have a feeling this is what is probably going
on
because the BrailleNote has a full Braille keyboard so should in
fact
be fully adapted for use with BrailleIn. You have to download the
signed drivers from the Humanware website. They work with both
the
BrailleNote Apex and mPower.
I have a BrailleNote Apex and an older mPower and both experience
an
odd issue where two new lines do not appear properly when I press
ENTER twice. BrailleIn otherwise works great. Can you try typing
a
sentence, doing two new lines, and then type another sentence? Be
sure
you're in a multiline edit field in Internet Explorer and feel
free
to
try either on your BrailleNote or your Focus.
Thanks!
Grant
On 7/22/12, Flor Lynch <florl...@iol.ie> wrote:
Grant,
Which brailleNote, in either case? I also have an MPower 32
(QT),
which
is not very adapted towards braille input anyway: although using
Windows
Xp. In internet Explorer I prefer not to use AutoForms Mode. So
then
if
I press enter I'm taken out of Forms Mode. Is the Forms Mode (or
AutoForms Mode) scenario what you mean? or something else?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Grant Hardy" <grantha...@gmail.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Problem with JAWS BrailleIn
Interesting, Flor. Can you also try that in Internet Explorer?
This
seems to be where the problem is most prevalent.
If you don't experience it then maybe it's simply a problem
with
BrailleNotes (I've used two BrailleNotes, and two different
computers,
and still see the problem).
Cheers,
Grant
On 7/22/12, Flor Lynch <florl...@iol.ie> wrote:
This is being brailled with the Focus 40 Blue.
This is after pressing its enter key twice.
No problem.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Grant Hardy" <grantha...@gmail.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 12:37 AM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Problem with JAWS BrailleIn
Hello all,
I have a problem with the JAWS BrailleIn feature. I'm running
the
latest build of JAWS 13, and Windows 7 Ultimate.
The problem is when I try to quickly insert two new line
characters
on
my Braille display by pressing ENTER twice in succession.
Rather
than
inserting the two new lines, JAWS instead exhibits some weird
behaviour which is difficult to explain. It usually inserts
one
new
line character as requested, but doesn't insert the other.
Instead,
I
notice that either my cursor has been moved slightly, or
there's
a
random space that has appeared somewhere on the new line, or
both
things happen. Again, it's the weirdest thing and very
difficult
to
explain. But basically, I can't insert two new line
characters
in
a
row properly. The only way is to insert a new line, type some
text,
move my cursor back, and then insert the other new line.
At the moment I'm using a Humanware BrailleNote as my Braille
display,
so it's very possible that the behaviour is specific to the
Humanware
displays.
Has anyone experienced any odd behaviour like this with any
model
of
Braille display?
Thanks,
Grant
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