When the ribbon is minimized what is the difference if it is not minimized.
-----Original Message----- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 12:05 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation Not in Word 2007. When I toggle Control-F1, there is no announcement of any kind. The only way I can tell for sure whether the ribbons are minimized or maximized is to launch the context menu and see whether the minimize the ribbons option is unchecked or checked, respectively. . Gerald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve" <pipeguy...@gmail.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation > Another way in Ms Office is just to press control-F1. You will either > hear collapsed or expanded. It is minimized if it is collapsed. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "david" <davidwhitehead1...@cogeco.ca> > To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 10:56 AM > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation > > >> gerald; >> >> if you want to know if the ribbon is minimized or maximized, >> in MSWord2007, >> >> 1, open word, >> >> 2, press the alt key, >> this gets you into the ribbon menu, >> now press the applications key, now up arrow, >> you will hear, minimize the ribbon, >> if it's checked, you will hear checked. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On >> Behalf Of Gerald Levy >> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 10:48 AM >> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >> >> >> Apparently, this feature is absent in Word 2007 because when I scroll >> across >> >> the ribbon menus with the left and right arrow key, I do not encounter >> any >> check box or button that indicates whether the ribbon menus are minimized >> or >> >> maximized. If I scroll across the upper ribbons with the right arrow key, >> the last tab I encounter is Search Commands. If I continue to right >> arrow, >> I land on the Microsoft Office Word Help button, then Office Button >> Submenu >> Grid and finally wrap around back to theHome tab. If I minimize the >> ribbons >> by pressingControl-F1, I get the same results, although, interestingly, >> the >> upper tabs seem to respond a little less sluggishly in this minimized >> mode >> than they do when the ribbons are maximized. Other than this subtle >> clue, I >> >> have no other way to know whether the ribbons are minimized or maximized, >> and I suspect that other blind users of Office 2007 may be unaware that >> their ribbon menus are not properly maximized, and hence become >> frustrated >> trying to navigate them. Perhaps JAWS should be enhanced so that it >> announces something like "ribbons minimized" and "ribbons restored" when >> Control-F1 is pressed repeatedly. >> >> Gerald >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Alan Robbins" <arobb...@nycap.rr.com> >> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 9:49 AM >> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >> >> >>> Gerald, >>> >>> I don't have Office 2007 but do have Office 2010. If you hit your alt >>> key in Word and right arrow across the top ribbon structure, toward >>> the end you'll hear a button that says minimize the ribbons. If you >>> select this with space bar and then repeat the steps this time it will >>> announce a check box that is checked. Of course the ctrl F1 toggles it >>> as well as David mentioned. >>> >>> Best, >>> Al >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] >>> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 9:29 AM >>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>> >>> >>> What's amazing to me is that my ribbon menus were apparently minimized >>> from >>> the get go when Office 2007 was originally installed on my system five >>> years >>> ago, and I simply didn't realize until now that they were not >>> functioning >>> correctly. Maybe a lot of other blind computer users also have their >>> ribbon >>> menus minimized/hidden, and so become frustrated trying to navigate >>> the MS >>> Word menus in their minimized format. I had no idea that Control-F1 >>> is a >>> toggle that hides or restores the ribbon menus because the tech guy >>> from the >>> rehab center who originally installed Office 2007 on my computer never >>> >>> mentioned it. If Mike D had not brought up the subject of ribbon >>> navigation, I would have continued to grope around my Word 2007 menus >>> the >>> way they were, remaining ignorant that they were never in proper >>> maximized >>> ribbon format in the first place. Also, JAWS does not announce any >>> change >>> when you press Control-F1, so you really have no way of verifying >>> whether >>> the ribbon menus are minimized/hidden or maximized/restored. Very >>> confusing. >>> >>> Gerald >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "david" <davidwhitehead1...@cogeco.ca> >>> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 8:56 AM >>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>> >>> >>>> Hello Gerald; >>>> >>>> well, glad it worked for you, you're problem/access to the ribbon >>> menu, >>>> didn't sound right to me! >>>> so I had a hunch, >>>> to minimize the bribbon in my office program/word2007. >>>> >>>> I was able to duplacate your findings, >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: JAWS-Users-List >>> [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On >>>> Behalf Of Gerald Levy >>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 8:44 AM >>>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>>> >>>> >>>> Wow, this worked! Now the ribbon menus seem to work the way they >>> are >>>> supposed to. Now when I scroll to the Mailings tab and press tab >>> once, I >>>> land on Envelopes. Thanks. >>>> >>>> Gerald >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "david" <davidwhitehead1...@cogeco.ca> >>>> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 7:42 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>>> >>>> >>>>> hello there; >>>>> >>>>> well, it sounds to me like your ribbon is minimized. >>>>> try opening word, >>>>> then use the keystroke, >>>>> ctrl+f1 key, >>>>> now, you should be able to use the menus. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: JAWS-Users-List >>> [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On >>>>> Behalf Of Gerald Levy >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 6:55 AM >>>>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >>>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If I arrow down from the Mailings tab in Word 2007, the first item >>> I land >>>>> on >>>>> >>>>> is Microsoft Office Word Help,not Envelopes, just the same as if I >>> had >>>>> pressed tab once. I'm telling you that the only way to reach the >>>>> Envelopes >>>>> option from the Mailings tab is to first pressEnter, then press tab >>> once >>>>> to >>>>> land on Labels and then Shift-Tab or Shift-left arrow to land on >>>>> Envelopes. >>>>> It doesn't matterwhether I'm using JAWS 9 or JAWS 13, ribbon >>> navigation >>>>> works the same way in both bersions. That's why the menu ribbons >>> are so >>>>> widely despised: there is apparently no rhyme or reason to the way >>> they >>>>> work, which can vary from computer to computer. >>>>> >>>>> Gerald >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Steve" <pipeguy...@gmail.com> >>>>> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> >>>>> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 9:45 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> That's because I don't think you are doing it correctly. >>>>>> >>>>>> In ribbons, there is vertical navigation. When you scroll to >>> Mailings, >>>>>> don't press Enter. Arrow down. You should see two options then >>>>>> envelopes >>>>> >>>>>> and labels. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you want to address an envelope, select that. If you want to >>> print a >>>>>> bunch of labels, select that and then go through the options. >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimi...@verizon.net> >>>>>> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 8:57 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I just tried ribbon navigation using JAWS 13, and I get the same >>>>>>> results >>>>>>> on the Word 2007 Mailings tab as with JAWS 9. If I scroll to the >>>>>>> Mailings tab, then press tab once, I hear Microsoft Office Word >>> Help. >>>>>>> If >>>>> >>>>>>> I scroll to Mailings, press Enter and then press Tab once, I hear >>>>>>> Labels, >>>>> >>>>>>> just like wit JAWS 9. If I then press Shift-Tab, I hear >>> Envelopes. So >>>>>>> no matter what I do, Envelopes does not come up as the first >>> option >>>>>>> under >>>>> >>>>>>> Mailings. Perhaps ribbon menus behave differently in XP than they >>> do in >>>>>>> Windows 7 and 8. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gerald >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "david" <davidwhitehead1...@cogeco.ca> >>>>>>> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 7:33 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> hello there; >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> well I do understand what your saying; >>>>>>>> however, my only question is? >>>>>>>> why are you pressing enter on the mailings tab? >>>>>>>> once you've right arrow to mailings tab, >>>>>>>> just use the tab key? >>>>>>>> my only other thought would be, because your using an earlier >>> version >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> jaws, >>>>>>>> I'm using jaws 15, I think I recall you saying your using jaws >>> 9. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: JAWS-Users-List >>> [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] >>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>> Behalf Of Gerald Levy >>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 4:06 PM >>>>>>>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please don't misunderstand. I only used the Mailings tab as an >>>>>>>> example >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> how navigating the ribbon menu can yield unpredictable results. >>> I >>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> using the Alt-M, E shortcut keystroke ever since I began using >>> Word >>>>>>>> 2007, so >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am familiar with it. But if I use the alternate technique to >>> get to >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> Envelopes option and I press Tab after hitting Enter on the >>> Mailings >>>>>>>> tab, >>>>>>>> the first thing I hear is Labels, not Envelopes. If I then >>> press >>>>>>>> Shift-Tab, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I hear Envelopes. Maybe this is just an unusual quirk, but >>> there are >>>>>>>> probably others just like it that I am not aware of. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Gerald >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: "david" <davidwhitehead1...@cogeco.ca> >>>>>>>> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> >>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 2:21 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> hello; >>>>>>>>> what happens if; >>>>>>>>> 1, you go to the ribbon menu, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2, right arrow to mailings tab, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 3, now just use the tab key one time, what do you hear; >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> also, have you tried the shortcut, >>>>>>>>> alt+m+e >>>>>>>>> so, alt+m=mailings, >>>>>>>>> e=envelope. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: JAWS-Users-List >>> [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] >>>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Gerald Levy >>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 1:18 PM >>>>>>>>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Your instructions don't work for me. When I Hit Enter on the >>>>>>>>> Mailings >>>>>>>>> tab >>>>>>>>> in Word 2007 using JAWS 9, and then press tab, the first item I >>> land >>>>>>>>> on >>>>> >>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> Labels, not Envelopes. Intuitively, you would think that by >>>>>>>>> continuing >>>>> >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> press the tab key, I would eventually land on the Envelopes >>> option. >>>>>>>>> But >>>>>>>>> this is not the case. The only way I can reach Envelopes is to >>> press >>>>>>>>> Shift-Tab from the Labels option. Of course, a sighted person >>> could >>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> juxtaposition of the Labels and Envelopes options. But there >>> is no >>>>>>>>> easy >>>>>>>>> way >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> for a blind person to find it unless he is clever enough to >>>>>>>>> experiment >>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>> various key combinations and finds it by accident, or is told >>> how to >>>>>>>>> find >>>>>>>>> it. That's why the JAWS virtual menu feature was developed. By >>> the >>>>>>>>> way, >>>>>>>>> did >>>>>>>>> you know that the popular Envelope Wizard feature from earlier >>>>>>>>> versions >>>>> >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> Word is not located on any Word 2007 menus, but can be >>> launched only >>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>> the "secret" key combination Alt-T, then E, Z? Does hiding a >>> popular >>>>>>>>> feature like this make any sense? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Gerald >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>> From: "david" <davidwhitehead1...@cogeco.ca> >>>>>>>>> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 11:55 AM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> hello; >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> well; >>>>>>>>>> if I were wanting to print out an envelope, >>>>>>>>>> using word 2007, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 1, menu right arrow until you hear mailing tab, >>>>>>>>>> now, use the tab key, the first press of the tab key you will >>>>>>>>>> see/hear, >>>>>>>>>> envelope. >>>>>>>>>> now, press enter. >>>>>>>>>> or, within the document, >>>>>>>>>> press, >>>>>>>>>> alt+m+e, >>>>>>>>>> you don't press enter on the mailings tab, >>>>>>>>>> however, if your using the jaws virtual ribbon feature, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> then after going to the menu, >>>>>>>>>> right arrow to mailings tab, now press enter, >>>>>>>>>> now right arrow one time, you will see envelope. >>>>>>>>>> I don't use the jaws ribbon feature, so, I can use the >>> shortcut >>>>>>>>>> keys. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: JAWS-Users-List >>>>>>>>>> [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] >>>>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Gerald Levy >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 9:55 AM >>>>>>>>>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It's not that simple. Here's a specific example of why the >>> ribbon >>>>>>>>>> menus >>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> so maddening. Suppose I want to print an envelope using Word >>> 2007, >>>>>>>>>> but I >>>>>>>>>> can't recall the quick tip keys to access the Envelopes option >>> on >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> Mailings tab. First, I press Alt to bring up the menu tabs, >>> then >>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>> right >>>>>>>>>> arrow to scroll to the Mailings tab and select it by pressing >>> Enter. >>>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>>> first item I encounter after pressing Tab is Labels. If I >>> continue >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> tab >>>>>>>>>> from this point, I will get dozens of options , but never >>> encounter >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> Envelopes option. However, if I navigate back to the Labels >>> option >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> press Shift-Tab or Shift-left arrow, the Envelopes option >>> magically >>>>>>>>>> appears. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This behavior certainly doesn't make any sense to me. Why >>> doesn't >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> Envelopes option appear when you keep pressing Tab? Why do >>> you have >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> press Shift-Tab from the Labels option to find it? And >>> navigating >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> ribbon menus in MS Office is one thing, but what about the >>> ribbon >>>>>>>>>> menus >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> Windows Explorer and Internet Explorer which are used in >>> Windows 8? >>>>>>>>>> This >>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>> a whole other ball game altogether. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Gerald >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>> From: "david" <davidwhitehead1...@cogeco.ca> >>>>>>>>>> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:42 AM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> hello; >>>>>>>>>>> well here's my take on the ribbons, >>>>>>>>>>> obviously, you have an upper and lower part of the ribbon. >>>>>>>>>>> the upper part is primarily the various tabs, example: >>>>>>>>>>> home, insert, page layout, etc, >>>>>>>>>>> the lower part of the ribbon provides the various setting for >>> each >>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> tabs. >>>>>>>>>>> to access the settings, use the tab key, >>>>>>>>>>> now you may hear things such as, 1 of 4, one of 8, >>>>>>>>>>> so, by using the tab key, you'll stay in the lower part of >>> the >>>>>>>>>>> ribbon, >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> stay focused on the particular tab title. >>>>>>>>>>> if you go to the top of the ribbon, >>>>>>>>>>> now do a ctrl+tab, you will hear such things as, >>>>>>>>>>> page numbers button, use the right arrow,or the tab key, >>>>>>>>>>> word count, >>>>>>>>>>> spelling and grammar button, >>>>>>>>>>> etc, >>>>>>>>>>> also, >>>>>>>>>>> keep in mind, you can find many settings, access, >>>>>>>>>>> when you use the applications key in word. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: JAWS-Users-List >>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of jim rawls >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 11:24 PM >>>>>>>>>>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Mike, if the powers that be won't post it to the list, please >>> send >>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> me. >>>>>>>>>>> I just >>>>>>>>>>> plain flunk out of the using ribbons class. I just don't know >>> how >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>>> Send >>>>>>>>>>> it to: >>>>>>>>>>> jazzpi...@ca.rr.com. >>>>>>>>>>> Jim >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: JAWS-Users-List >>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of >>>>>>>>>>> Mike B. >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 4:35 PM >>>>>>>>>>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Flor & All, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I thank you very much for your input & ideas but, I found a >>> little >>>>>>>>>>> program >>>>>>>>>>> called UBit that makes navigating the ribbons a much more >>> simple >>>>>>>>>>> endeavor! >>>>>>>>>>> I'll send the information & steps I've typed up to the head >>> honcho >>>>>>>>>>> & >>>>>>>>>>> let >>>>>>>>>>> him >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> make the decision on if it can be posted or not. Thank you >>> all >>>>>>>>>>> again. >>>>>>>>>>> Take care. >>>>>>>>>>> Mike >>>>>>>>>>> This email was sent from my, iBarstool. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: Flor Lynch >>>>>>>>>>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 2:35 PM >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Mike, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'll try this in general brief but rough summary, dealing >>> with the >>>>>>>>>>> idea >>>>>>>>>>> of it. You're familiar with tab controls? The different pages >>>>>>>>>>> (ctrl+tab) >>>>>>>>>>> you get in multi-page dialog boxes? Well, ribbons are much >>> the same >>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>> them. You can also right- or left-arrow between each of them. >>> Now >>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>> have lower ribbons, or sub-ribbons, which will be accessed >>> through >>>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>>> parent ribbons - often down-arrow from such if there's a >>> sub-or >>>>>>>>>>> lower-ribbon present on an option. The JAWS Virtual Ribbons >>> are not >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> real Ribbons, and indeed, in some cases they rearrange many >>> things >>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>> the structure and leave other things out. Another way to >>> regard >>>>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>> as if they were toobars activated with buttons. (You may >>> recall >>>>>>>>>>> Excel >>>>>>>>>>> had plenty of those.) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Now the good news is that there are many, many hot keys >>> associated >>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>> the items in the Ribbons, that can be activated. However, it >>> does >>>>>>>>>>> take >>>>>>>>>>> longer to accomplish a task i.e., more keystrokes, that >>> formerly >>>>>>>>>>> used >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> be a quite simple structural through the menu approach. >>> Things are >>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>> more layered than they were, i.e. more vertical rather than >>> linear. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: "Mike B." <mb69ma...@charter.net> >>>>>>>>>>> To: "Jaws-Users List" <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 9:09 PM >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [JAWS-Users] Ribbons Navigation >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi All, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'll get right to the point. The ribbons in Office 07 & up >>>>>>>>>>>> frustrate >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> hell out of me! I've been searching for a good tutorial >>> that >>>>>>>>>>>> explains >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> ribbons, i.e, both upper & lower, & navigating the with >>> without >>>>>>>>>>>> using >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> Jaws Virtual Ribbons option & I'm not having any luck. I >>> just >>>>>>>>>>>> can't >>>>>>>>>>>> get the >>>>>>>>>>>> hang or get my head wrapped around on how to navigate >>> ribbons & I >>>>>>>>>>>> guess >>>>>>>>>>>> it's high time I start living in the new world of Office! I >>> would >>>>>>>>>>>> really >>>>>>>>>>>> like a tutorial that really breaks the ribbons & navigating >>> them >>>>>>>>>>>> down >>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>> simple, easy to understand steps. I need something really >>> simple >>>>>>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm certainly a knucklehead when it comes to this ribbons >>> crap! >>>>>>>>>>>> LOL, >>>>>>>>>>>> hahaha hahaha hahaha, LOL >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> So folks, any help will be graciously accepted & greatly >>>>>>>>>>>> appreciated. >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks much. >>>>>>>>>>>> Take care. >>>>>>>>>>>> Mike >>>>>>>>>>>> This email was sent from my, iBarstool. >>>>>>>>>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list >>> visit: >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list >>> visit: >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>>>>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list >>> visit: >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list >>> visit: >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list >>> visit: >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list >>> visit: >>>>>>>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list >>> visit: >>>>>>>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list >>> visit: >>>>>>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list >>> visit: >>>>>>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>> >>>> >>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>> >>>> >>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>> >>> >>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>> >>> >>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
