Comments like this jeopardize the investment of a bunch of hard-working JBoss developers and an even larger number of corporate developers that are attempting to server as evangelists for the product.
James politely made perfectly valid comments about his experience and offered intelligent suggestions for the product. In the best interest of JBoss, he even offered to help. Marc, I know you and others are working extremely hard to make this a world-class product, and you're doing a great job. But a world-class product obviously has to have customers, and those customers deserve respect. Sincerely, Brian Sondergaard P.S. I'll buy you a pitcher (or two) next week in SF. ----- Original Message ----- From: "marc fleury" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Trawick, James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Jboss-Development@Lists. Sourceforge. Net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Jboss-User@Lists. Sourceforge. Net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 10:22 PM Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] RE: [JBoss-user] JBOSS 3.x FINAL > mr trawick james, > > suck my dick > > marcf > > > |-----Original Message----- > |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > |Trawick, James > |Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 12:33 PM > |To: Jboss-Development@Lists. Sourceforge. Net; Jboss-User@Lists. > |Sourceforge. Net > |Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] RE: [JBoss-user] JBOSS 3.x FINAL > | > | > |Not unfounded, personally proven. > | > |In any case there needs to be some sort of kickstart and executive summary > |for the new JBoss features. If it means that I'll finally get the answers > |I'm looking for without holding for three hours and/or putting up with the > |hellfire here, I'll be more than happy to help produce that. > | > |I was not aware that the docs for sale were actually available. My > |experience has been the exact opposite. On three separate occaisons over > |the past couple of months I've attempted to purchase the clustering > |documentation. Each time I received a message saying that there was a > |problem with their side of the transaction and a support rep would be in > |contact with me. Despite multiple attempts to open communications about > |these cases with Flashline, they have failed to do so. Emails apparently > |went to the bit bucket and their phone support reps have proven to be > |anywhere from rude to utterly incompetant. So for my purposes, the docs > |aren't real because for whatever reason I can't get to them despite my > |willingness to pay the mere $10 for quality documentation. At least they > |didn't charge me for it. > | > |chris > | > |-----Original Message----- > |From: Bill Burke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > |Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 3:10 PM > |To: Trawick, James > |Cc: Jboss-Development@Lists. Sourceforge. Net; Jboss-User@Lists. > |Sourceforge. Net > |Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] RE: [JBoss-user] JBOSS 3.x FINAL > | > | > |Clustering docs are available for purchase. > | > |http://www.flashline.com/components/productsbyvendor.jsp?&vendorid= > |1376&affi > |liateid=260343 > | > |I've also written an article on "clustering" JBoss 2.4.x > | > |http://www.onjava.com/pub/a/onjava/2001/09/18/jboss.html > | > |Clustering features in JBoss beta: > |HA-JNDI, HA-RMI, EJBs(EB, SLSB, SFSB) Failover and load-balancing > | > |The code for HTTP Session Failover is in CVS, but is a work in progress. > |Ask Sacha and Julian how it's going. I don't work on this stuff. HTTP > |Session Failover will probably only be available for Jetty. > | > |I don't know what you're talking about when you say docs for sale aren't > |real, because we've already sold at least a 100 copies of the clustering > |docs. Sacha and I have gotten good feedback on these docs so your > |complaints are unfounded. > | > |> -----Original Message----- > |> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > |> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > |> Trawick, James > |> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 2:28 PM > |> To: 'David Ward' > |> Cc: 'marc fleury'; Jboss-Development@Lists. Sourceforge. Net; > |> Jboss-User@Lists. Sourceforge. Net > |> Subject: [JBoss-dev] RE: [JBoss-user] JBOSS 3.x FINAL > |> > |> > |> What I'm really interested in is the more corporate questions > |(we're still > |> battling for JBoss over Weblogic, and clustering is a real sore > |> point). How > |> does JBoss 3 clustering interact with web container clustering? > |> If they're > |> completely separate (which I'm pretty sure is the case, as it was > |> last time > |> I walked through the code), how can I put together a full clustered J2EE > |> stack with JBoss and (for example) Tomcat/Catalina? To what level does > |> JBoss provide high-availability? What are some failover scenarios? How > |> does one initiate a graceful failover for server maintenance? How > |> flexible/controllable is JBoss clustering in reality? > |> > | > |Failover scenarios? > |- failed network card > |- server crash > |- application crash > |- What else? > | > |Initiate graceful failover for Server maintainance? > |Just gracefully shutdown jboss. The Cluster dynamically figures out > |topology. Topology information is piggy-backed over invocation > |responses to > |client proxies when it changes. > | > |How flexible/controllable? > |We wanted to keep things as simple as possible for the initial release to > |reduce code complexity and make sure we get the core things > |correct. If you > |want to know how flexible, buy the docs. It's only $10.00. > | > |Bill > | > |_______________________________________________ > |Jboss-development mailing list > |[EMAIL PROTECTED] > |https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development > > _______________________________________________ > Jboss-development mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development _______________________________________________ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
