Hunter, Thomas, Ken, all other Geeks

I was playing around a little the other day and created a JTree with
MutableTreeNodes that looks similar to the list of all deployed MBeans
which the HTML adaptor shows. I will probably extend that to be able
to select one MBean and display attributes and operations.

When I was looking at the stuff I was thinking that we actually have
two systems of MBeans which need management. One is the view which
the current SUN RI HTML Adaptor gives and the other would be a view
oriented on the JSR77 domain hierarchy.

So when we create something new either Swing or Webapp oriented we
should think of combining these two views into one console application.

Is that something you guys agree with or am I totally on the wrong
track here? One more think I am interested in (and also project managers
in the project I am working for) is the statistics stuff from JSR77. It
would be great to see these information in an upcoming management client.
Is anybody working on implementing the StatisticsProvider interface for
the JSR77 MBeans?

--Marcus





-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sipe
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. März 2002 15:13
An: JBoss Dev
Betreff: Re: [JBoss-dev] JMX HTML... From the Pure Fluff Department...


Hunter, Thomas,

Yea I agree that there should be an independent version as well.  I was
thinking that the first round would require web/servlet support as well as
JAAS or JBOSSSX support.  I really think this will be the norm.  And with
all the support it should be fairly simple.

Thomas mentioned the MX4J project I was unaware and will see what thats all
about.

As well, the JOnAS project has it's own html adaptor I believe which may
provide code or template of things needed.

In talking with marc about this subject in January he was wanting more than
I believe the first round would produce.  He ask for a couple of things.
1.  He wanted CustomTags so people could easily create their own views.
2.  Which doesn't seem to fit with the first, He wanted a fat client (
Applet, Flash, ... ) where all the servers available are shown and an admin
could drag and drop a cluster together to define the cluster.

So even though I agree that standard should at some time be supported.  The
first version I would like to target with a few dependencies.

Ken

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marcus Redeker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "JBoss Dev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 4:45 PM
Subject: AW: [JBoss-dev] JMX HTML... From the Pure Fluff Department...


> I also like the idea of a small integrated version and an extended
> full feature tool. Do you guys think that the JSR77 stuff is already
> implemented enough to include statistics and monitoring in this
> new JMX management tool?
>
> I just put a patch out to register the SUN Adaptor with basic
authentication
> enabled because we needed that for a production environment. Maybe that
> is something to implement in the planned 2.4.5 version?
>
> If any help is needed I would certainly help on a new JMX management
client.
>
> --Marcus
>
> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Im Auftrag von
> Hunter Hillegas
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. Marz 2002 18:41
> An: Ken Sipe; JBoss Dev
> Betreff: Re: [JBoss-dev] JMX HTML... From the Pure Fluff Department...
>
>
> Ken-
>
> It sounds like we're on the same page. I think this would be a great...
>
> Do you think we'd want to have a standard and extended mode, letting the
> standard be more slimmed down for netboot and embedded uses and the
extended
> being the full blown deal?
>
> Anyway, yeah, I'd like to help.
>
> Hunter
>
> > From: "Ken Sipe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Organization: Code Mentor
> > Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 11:31:30 -0600
> > To: "Hunter Hillegas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "JBoss Dev"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] JMX HTML... From the Pure Fluff Department...
> >
> > Hunter,
> >
> > The JMX HTML adapter is provided by sun in the reference JMX
> implementation.
> > I had talked with marc in Boston in January regarding this components
> > replacement or wrapping.  I planned to take this on, however currently
I'm
> > preparing for a presentation at an upcoming conference.  I should be
able
> to
> > focus on it next month.
> >
> > IMO, we need to replace it.  It would remove JBoss' dependency on the
> > reference implementation completely.  Also, I want to provide a way to
> > security the access.
> >
> > Help would be great.  I'm more of a functionality guy.  If you got guys
> who
> > could pretty it up or add to functionality that would be great ( or beat
> you
> > to the implementation )
> >
> > What I had in mind was more grandiose than what your message implies
your
> > interest is.  I wanted an interface similar to JRun.  Maybe not as
fancy,
> > but close. And something that works ( they have a lot of room for
> > improvement, maybe they will steal our code;)  Additionally I would like
> an
> > XML component that the web component leverages.  But lets keep it simple
> for
> > the first go-round.
> >
> > anyway the component your looking for is:
> > com.sun.jdmk.comm.HtmlAdaptorServer
> >
> > Ken
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Hunter Hillegas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "JBoss Dev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 11:07 AM
> > Subject: [JBoss-dev] JMX HTML... From the Pure Fluff Department...
> >
> >
> >> What would it take to pretty up the output from the JMX HTML adapter?
> >>
> >> Since a lot of folks will probably be using that to manage the server,
we
> >> might want to think about beautifying it a bit... Nothing fancy or
> >> cumbersome, but a little sprucing up here and there...
> >>
> >> I'm happy to see what I can contribute here, we have a team of top
notch
> > Web
> >> guys that I could steal some time from...
> >>
> >> Does anyone know off-hand where this is generated? I'll go poking
> > around...
> >>
> >> Hunter
> >>
> >>
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