anonymous wrote : I do love the idea of the PDF templating using facelets in 
Seam for doing up quick documents and e-mails -- but the idea of adding Excel 
support then leads to the plethora of other output formats that you can think 
of.. and does all that fluff (and re-inventing of the wheel) really belong in 
Seam? 

It's not like this stuff needs to be deeply integrated into the Seam core, its 
just an add-on jar, no big deal. That doesn't count as bloat, IMO.

anonymous wrote : I think most people who need a large variety of output 
formats will settle on a more full-featured reporting framework anyway.

The trouble is that reporting tools like these are kindof a world unto 
themselves, and its difficult to seamlessly integrate their capabilities into 
the flow and look and feel of your application.  Plus its a totally alien 
programming model to learn. (Usually, done by some "reporting guy" on the 
project.) I think its highly useful to have some limited set of reporting 
capabilities available in the web framework.

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