----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Bottoms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Nathalie Mason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 3:24 AM
Subject: [JBoss-user] Re: freeloading
> Actually, I was referring to the newbies, and there are more of them every
> day, asking the same questions over and over again, just like I did.
>
I guess it depends on the definition of newbie. Would i reccommend JBoss, or
for that matter weblogic, websphere, iplanet AS, or any other J2EE container
to a person who is an old perl programmer, or C/C++ person? Probably not.
Just as in any environment there is an overwhelming need to learn the basics
before you take on the enterprise. One major project I worked on we used
IPlanet AS to deploy an application. I was notr the hiring manager and I
ended up with about 10 senior developers who were going to lead the project
(it was pretty major hehe 54 people total on it) Unfortunately, despite a
great amount of ambition and desire to learn, they had absolutely no
experience with J2EE. At that time i was a project manager (having been
promoted out of the architect role) and had 2 other clients simultaneously.
I ended up having to architect the system, and do a lot of hand holding to
get it started. Not that i am against that as an architect or senior lead
(in fact its needed more I think in general) but i also had 2 other clients
to keep happy, and keep track of. Luckily for me, the project got canceled
because budgets were cut 2/3 or else I have a feeling it would have been my
first failure. The point here is that J2EE might make many things easier on
the developer (transactions, persistence, etc) there is still a lot
involved. Much more than a "newbie" can initially grasp. Much better off
IMHO if the total newbies learn the technology pretty much the way it
evolved. Servlets, JSP, EJB, then the remainder of the J2EE Stack.
As you said... it would do the JBoss project as a whole a great service to
get the word out, but on the other hand I can see where in a technology as
evolving as JBoss is that they want to keep the dissemination of information
about JBoss centralized. What features are in 2.4beta? how are they
different from 2.2 or what will be 3.0? Its a very large task just for the
volunteers to keep track of the project on one site, let alone a much
smaller group keep track of all the changes on it. And I suspect that JBoss
wouldnt be the only technology espoused on computerplanet, so now that same
smaller group has to keep track of many other projects/products also. Yes,
it happened with linux, but when did it happen? When .99pl9 came out who was
using it? when 1.0 came out who was? it took really untill recently for
Linux to get any major press, and in general the core kernel was stabilized.
Maybe when the 2.0 spec comes out and JBoss is compliant with it there will
be a time to take that deep breath and put the word out, but I can
definitely see where the JBoss group would want to keep a hold of where
jboss is at.
just my 2 cents worth.
Al
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