Yet again I can't wait to read the statement that I hope Marc or someone is preparing right away. I spoke to two more people tonight, one from Sun that has learned of the "conflict" going on. I can only imagine how quickly this is going to proliferate through various companies that once again JBoss is having conflicts internally with previous devlopers and developers at large who are all unsure what to make of what is going on.
Greg, perhaps you can clear up for me/us, what sort of commit access did you and other Jetty developers have? I thought the only thing that was being done was (shoot, forget his name) was constantly doing integration work with Jetty/Jboss to use the same container for in-container calls from jetty to jboss ejb. I didn't realize you guys were actually working on the jboss code itself. I also thought that through JMX you could somehow interface JEtty with JBoss, so I wasn't aware that this type of integration would require other types of code modifications to Jboss itself. If this is not the case, then I am clearly baffled as to (again) why you and Jetty developers are disconnected from being able to commit. I just can't put together the connection. Even more difficult for me to understand is even IF you have commit access, how is that going to harm JBoss? It's not like you guys are adding code to JBoss that hurts it, nor will it prevent you from grabbing the source via the web tree or anonymous cvs access, so I don't see how preventing you from committing is doing any better than prior. More so, now that so many are hearing about this conflict, it is being misconstrued in all directions and therefore, again, I think it is in the JBoss Group's best interest to quickly remedy this issue with a statement, with details, as to what happened, concerns, etc. Maybe there aren't many of us in the forums/list to garner that much attention to it. But news travels quickly in this industry, and I really don't want to see bad things spread about JBoss. I urge the JBoss Group to quickly submit a statement on the site, in the forums, where ever to resolve this matter before it blows up out of proportion. Maybe I am overboard, I hope so. But like someone else said, things like this have a habit of damaging even an open-source product. With J2EE licensing around the corner, let's nip this in the bud before it gets worse. --- Greg Wilkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Firstly a note to the list moderator: This is a > request for CVS access, so > I believe that it is on topic and should not be > censored. > > Bill Burke wrote: > > JBoss Group, as caretaker of the JBoss project, > has recently decided to > > remove CVS access committers for a few of our > committers. We do not remove > > from CVS without good reason nor without just > cause. These are the reasons > > for the removals: > > I'll take these in reverse order: > > > 3. There is just too much conflict of interest of > developers working on two > > different J2EE projects that are being developed > under two very different > > open-source licenses. > > Surely that is for the developers or their actions > to determine? Or is > this taking the Bush doctrine of pre-emptive action > to it's logical extreme? > > There are conflicts all the time in open source > development - between the > day job and the project - between license types - > between duplicate > projects - between competing clients both using your > code - between time > developing and time to have a life etc. > > As the author of Jetty, I have helped it be > integrated with JBoss, JOnAS and > avalon among other proprietary projects. I am > serving on JSR154 and give > effort to improve all J2EE containers. I have > worked with and submitted > bug reports and patches for tomcat. I frequently > consult to competative > companies. I believe I have proven that I can > deal with such conflicts > in a professional manner. > > JBoss has many users and JBG has many clients that > they have encouraged > to use Jetty/JBoss as a stable and supported > platform. JBoss is currently > the best J2EE platform out there and I only wish to > continue supporting > it - and fullfilling the implicit promise made to > all JBoss users that > we will make best efforts to support our > contributions. > > If you give us back our CVS access - what harm can > it be? If we vandalize > the code, or become idle for a long period - then > remove our access. > But we only wish to maintain our contributions and > support the JBoss > community. The only reasons that I can see for > removing us is so you > can make "no jboss developer" marketting claims. > > > > 2. More importantly, we have learned that they > have forked JBoss. We also > > believe they are preparing to submit it, or some > derivation, to the new > > Apache Geronimo project which would violate > copyright and LGPL. Our proof? > > > > http://sourceforge.net/projects/elba > > I'm not exactly up to speed with the full motivation > for Elba, but it is not > for submission to geronimo - nor would the ASF > accept it if it was offered. > > The elba CVS is a totally legal fork of the JBoss > code, which after recent > public legal threats is good to know that it can be > done if needed. I > do know it was motivated by removing a private > trademarc from an open > code base. > > But whatever, it's got nothing to do with JBoss nor > my continuing desire > to support the project. > > > > 1. These individuals have refused to discuss > design issues on our public > > forums. It is crucial to have a public record of > design discussions so that > > others may particpate in future work. > > I have always been willing to discuss issues on > jboss-dev. I, Jan, David, > Jeremy, Hiram and others have all posted to this > forum recently - although > several such posts were censored. > > Besides, even if we have done something to warrent > our removal from current > committers, we should not have been removed from the > contributors page. > > regards > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built > ASP.NET sites including > Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are > available now. > Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual > Studio .NET. > http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa00100003ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/01 > _______________________________________________ > JBoss-user mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-user __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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