Tim - Can you please try to limit the amount of emails that you send
out.  We appreciate your enthusiasm and willingness to help but it would
be great if you could reduce the number of emails that you send.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Nicholson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 10:04 AM
To: JDJList
Subject: [jdjlist] RE: what is it like to be a programmer "in the real
wor ld" ?


That's a joke right ?

Very funny.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason Bell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "JDJList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 11:48 PM
Subject: [jdjlist] RE: what is it like to be a programmer "in the real
wor
ld" ?


> try this for starters, we all did. :)
>
>
> public class HelloWorld {
> public static void main(String[] args) {
> System.out.println("Hello World!");
> }
> }
>
> My next program was on raw network sockets..... a few sleepless night
I
have
> to admit.
>
> Jase
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Nicholson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 26 September 2002 15:35
> To: JDJList
> Subject: [jdjlist] RE: what is it like to be a programmer "in the real
> wor ld" ?
>
>
> Can you please give some examples of the kind of code you write in
your
job
> so that I can see if it is stuff that I am likely to be able to
understand
> and grasp ?
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Fisher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "JDJList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 10:41 PM
> Subject: [jdjlist] RE: what is it like to be a programmer "in the real
wor
> ld" ?
>
>
> > I thought about this for a while, and it's not an easy answer.  A
lot
> > depends on where you work.  If you are not lucky, then you get stuck
> > programming in a language you hate and your life can be a living
hell.
On
> > the other hand, if you work for a good company, then life is pretty
good.
> > For instance I work at a company that is medium to small (200
employees)
> but
> > has money.  I'm the technical lead, but also our architect.  I get
to
wear
> > multiple hats which makes my job interesting and I try to keep our
> > programmers interested by having them learn knew technology along
the
way.
> >
> > In general, programming in the real world means your ass is on the
line
> > because you're expected to perform at a certain competency level.  I
> mentor
> > our junior programmers, but I also expect a lot out of them.  If you
> always
> > write crappy code, eventually you'll be called on the carpet or
given
> really
> > weak assignments.
> >
> > You also need to leave your ego at the door.  That was the hardest
thing
> for
> > me to do when I first started.  After a while I saw the light.  It
doesn't
> > take too long when you have to work on someone's poorly documented,
> > obfuscated, hacked up POS code.
> >
> > Programming in the real world is pressure.  It seems like there is
always
> > some unrealistic deadline set by some marketing person or a vp --
"It's
> > vital to our business".  User's never know what they want, they only
know
> > that what you gave them was not it and they all think they are the
only
> ones
> > with a problem.  And anyone who has ever gone through a major
> implementation
> > can tell you, those suck beyond belief.
> >
> > On the other hand, you get to do a job that's like nothing else.
You're
> > part of a community that the rest of the company just can't fathom.
You
> can
> > tend to get away with things others don't, especially if you're
good.  I
> go
> > ride my bicycle two hours a day in the middle of the day.  Nobody
says a
> > thing because it keeps me sane, and my work never suffers.  A number
of
> our
> > programmers keep some odd hours but as long as the work gets done,
nobody
> > minds much.
> >
> > From a purely technical standpoint programs written in the real
world
are
> > vastly more complex than what you'll write in high school and
college.
> > However, the basic structure of the programs is still the same.
It's
just
> > that the programs themselves are larger and more complex.
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tim Nicholson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 7:18 AM
> > To: JDJList
> > Subject: [jdjlist] what is it like to be a programmer "in the real
> > world" ?
> >
> >
> > And to Joseph or anyone else who would like to answer:-
> >
> > Can you possibly tell me what it is like to be a programmer (in I
assume
> the
> > Java language) in the real world ? What I mean really by that is,
what
> sort
> > of code do you write in your job ? I assume you are working as a
computer
> > programmer ?
> >
> > So what sort of code do you produce and work with in your job ? And
is
> this
> > difficult code ? Would I find it difficult to understand and work
with ?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Joseph B. Ottinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "JDJList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 8:12 PM
> > Subject: [jdjlist] Re: two exercises I am trying to solve at the
> moment....
> >
> >
> > > RE: [jdjlist] Re: J2MEWell, Tim, the first step is to read the
> suggestions
> > > made by your coursework. Start small; write functions that do the
simple
> > > stuff first. Break the problems down (although most of the work
has
been
> > > done for you already.) Man, these questions have gotten easier
since
*I*
> > was
> > > in grade 9.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Tim Nicholson
> > > To: JDJList
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 4:09 AM
> > > Subject: [jdjlist] two exercises I am trying to solve at the
moment....
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi everyone again,
> > >
> > > this is in addition to the previous email that I sent but this is
on a
> > > rather different topic.
> > >
> > > I am trying to work through some problems/exercises and I was
wondering
> if
> > > anyone might be able to suggest how I might be able to solve these
> > problems
> > > ?
> > >
> > > Like I said before, this email is on a different topic to the
email
that
> I
> > > sent before.
> > >
> > > The 1st problem I was wondering if anyone could help me on is as
follows
> > :-
> > >
> > >
========================================================================
> > >
> > > Design and implement a program that allows the user to input a
number
in
> > any
> > > base (2..16) as a string of digits (0..9, A..F) and the base that
the
> > number
> > > is in and displays the value in decimal of the input number.
> > > Your program must have two function methods that respectively
return:
> > > the value of one digit character; and
> > > the value of a whole string of digits in a given base.
> > > Hint: The first of those functions makes it easier to write the
second.
> > > Your program may have a BreezySwing or text-only interface
> > >
> > >
========================================================================
> > >
========================================================================
> > > And the second one is like this :-
> > >
=======================================================================
> > > Write a program that allows the user to input any int value and
outputs
> > that
> > > number in words.
> > > Examples:
> > > inputoutput
> > > 0zero
> > > 3three
> > > 13thirteen
> > > 23twenty-three
> > > 223223two hundred and twenty-three thousand, two hundred and
> twenty-three
> > > 223223223two hundred and twenty-three million, two hundred and
> > twenty-three
> > > thousand, two hundred and twenty-three
> > > >2147483647two billion, one hundred and forty-seven million, four
> hundred
> > > and eighty-three thousand, six hundred and forty-seven
> > > -1minus one
> > >
> > > Your program must have three function methods that respectively
return:
> > > a value between 1 and 9 in words;
> > > a value between 1 and 999 in words; and
> > > any int value in words.
> > > Hint: The first of those functions makes it easier to write the
second
> and
> > > writing the second will help write the third.
> > > Good solutions may have even more functions.
> > >
>
========================================================================
=
> > >
========================================================================
> > > I really don't have a clue how to solve these so any help as to
what
> sort
> > of
> > > algorithm and java code implementation that I could use, would be
very
> > much
> > > appreciated.
> > >
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