This is not a *flood* - is this also one of the first lists that you have subscribed to ? It's kind of rude to walk into a meeting and try to tell everyone how they *should* be doing things. Lurk awhile, 3 days is hardly long enough to judge anything.
If you had been on the list just a bit longer than you had been , you would have seen we've just been down the moderator road ... And we are a bunch of curmudgeons here - that's us - love us or leaves us..... just be glad that none of us are Victor Meldrew. --- Satya Venkataraman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I joined this forum about 3 days ago. I think this forum is a good place > for like minded individuals to exchange good ideas and help out. But I > think this forum is wasted on dealing at such long length on trivial > matters. I think we need a moderator who can nip in the bud such > discussions that go on and on to avoid flooding everyone's email. Let us > try to address bigger issues and more complex problems than the current > topic. > > I am sorry if I sound a little harsh but I am tired of deleting so many > messages flooding in thru my inbox. > > Satya Venkataraman > Consultant > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > W: (804)360-1623 > H: (804)360-0939 > C: (804)334-2928 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Nicholson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 10:35 AM > To: JDJList > Subject: [jdjlist] RE: what is it like to be a programmer "in the real > wor ld" ? > > Can you please give some examples of the kind of code you write in your > job > so that I can see if it is stuff that I am likely to be able to > understand > and grasp ? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Fisher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "JDJList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 10:41 PM > Subject: [jdjlist] RE: what is it like to be a programmer "in the real > wor > ld" ? > > > > I thought about this for a while, and it's not an easy answer. A lot > > depends on where you work. If you are not lucky, then you get stuck > > programming in a language you hate and your life can be a living hell. > On > > the other hand, if you work for a good company, then life is pretty > good. > > For instance I work at a company that is medium to small (200 > employees) > but > > has money. I'm the technical lead, but also our architect. I get to > wear > > multiple hats which makes my job interesting and I try to keep our > > programmers interested by having them learn knew technology along the > way. > > > > In general, programming in the real world means your ass is on the > line > > because you're expected to perform at a certain competency level. I > mentor > > our junior programmers, but I also expect a lot out of them. If you > always > > write crappy code, eventually you'll be called on the carpet or given > really > > weak assignments. > > > > You also need to leave your ego at the door. That was the hardest > thing > for > > me to do when I first started. After a while I saw the light. It > doesn't > > take too long when you have to work on someone's poorly documented, > > obfuscated, hacked up POS code. > > > > Programming in the real world is pressure. It seems like there is > always > > some unrealistic deadline set by some marketing person or a vp -- > "It's > > vital to our business". User's never know what they want, they only > know > > that what you gave them was not it and they all think they are the > only > ones > > with a problem. And anyone who has ever gone through a major > implementation > > can tell you, those suck beyond belief. > > > > On the other hand, you get to do a job that's like nothing else. > You're > > part of a community that the rest of the company just can't fathom. > You > can > > tend to get away with things others don't, especially if you're good. > I > go > > ride my bicycle two hours a day in the middle of the day. Nobody says > a > > thing because it keeps me sane, and my work never suffers. A number > of > our > > programmers keep some odd hours but as long as the work gets done, > nobody > > minds much. > > > > From a purely technical standpoint programs written in the real world > are > > vastly more complex than what you'll write in high school and college. > > However, the basic structure of the programs is still the same. It's > just > > that the programs themselves are larger and more complex. > > > > Jeff > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tim Nicholson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 7:18 AM > > To: JDJList > > Subject: [jdjlist] what is it like to be a programmer "in the real > > world" ? > > > > > > And to Joseph or anyone else who would like to answer:- > > > > Can you possibly tell me what it is like to be a programmer (in I > assume > the > > Java language) in the real world ? What I mean really by that is, what > sort > > of code do you write in your job ? I assume you are working as a > computer > > programmer ? > > > > So what sort of code do you produce and work with in your job ? And is > this > > difficult code ? Would I find it difficult to understand and work with > ? > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Joseph B. Ottinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "JDJList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 8:12 PM > > Subject: [jdjlist] Re: two exercises I am trying to solve at the > moment.... > > > > > > > RE: [jdjlist] Re: J2MEWell, Tim, the first step is to read the > suggestions > > > made by your coursework. Start small; write functions that do the > simple > > > stuff first. Break the problems down (although most of the work has > been > > > done for you already.) Man, these questions have gotten easier since > *I* > > was > > > in grade 9. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Tim Nicholson > > > To: JDJList > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 4:09 AM > > > Subject: [jdjlist] two exercises I am trying to solve at the > moment.... > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone again, > > > > > > this is in addition to the previous email that I sent but this is on > a > > > rather different topic. > > > > > > I am trying to work through some problems/exercises and I was > wondering > if > > > anyone might be able to suggest how I might be able to solve these > > problems > > > ? > > > > > > Like I said before, this email is on a different topic to the email > that > I > > > sent before. > > > > > > The 1st problem I was wondering if anyone could help me on is as > follows > > :- > > > > > > > ======================================================================== > > > > > > Design and implement a program that allows the user to input a > number in > > any > > > base (2..16) as a string of digits (0..9, A..F) and the base that > the > > number > === message truncated === ===== Mark Zawadzki Performance Engineer/DBA/Programmer extraordinaire� [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Democracies die behind closed doors," - Judge Damon Keith __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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