OK, thanks for the confirmation. fujiwara
Hai-Xia Helen Wang wrote: > Hi, Takao: > > For the English Dictionary, if you take the pkg from moz community, it's > covered by our previous legal review; since all things from mozilla.org > are covered by our Legal Executive Summary. > > Thanks! > Helen. > >> On Wed, 2007-05-02 at 18:32 +0900, Takao Fujiwara wrote: >> >> >>> Beijing base team, >>> >>> I have a critical question regarding to this. >>> Currently the english dicts are integrated in SUNWthunderbird and >>> SUNWfirefox and I thought those legal reviews were done. >>> >> >> >> Takao, >> >> The original English dictionaries were delivered by mozilla base team. >> So Brian and Helen, could you please address this issue? I added some >> comments based on my understanding below. >> >> >> >>> 1. Do you need en_US.aff? >>> >> >> >>> From enchant's code and mozilla's code at >> >> http://lxr.mozilla.org/mozilla/source/extensions/spellcheck/locales/en-US/myspell/ >> >> >> and >> http://lxr.mozilla.org/mozilla/source/extensions/spellcheck/myspell/src/ >> , >> >> The answer should be YES. >> >> >> >>> 2. Do you have the proper legal review for English dictionary? >>> >> >> >> As we have an executive summary that codes downloaded from mozilla.org >> and gnome.org won't need OSR, I guess we didn't do OSR for this >> particular issue before. >> >> There is no license file for en-US.aff under >> http://lxr.mozilla.org/mozilla/source/extensions/spellcheck/locales/en-US/myspell/ >> >> >> >> and I cannot access >> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Dictionaries >> by webcache.uk, either. From the README file you provided below, I >> guess it is released under the original BSD license which might be a >> problem. If it has been changed to new BSD license, I think it should be >> OK. I am not a legal person, so I think either Helen or Brian should >> contact the original author Geoff Kuenning and the current author of >> en-US.aff to see what the license now is. They should also decide >> whether we need an OSR for it. >> >> I don't know if you remove en-US.aff now, whether enchant and >> thunderbird/firefox's spell-checking function still works. As this file >> has been in S10 and Nevada for a long time, and both the Mozilla >> community and the OpenOffice community are using it, maybe we can keep >> it for now and find a legal solution at the same time. Maybe we should >> ship the README file in the same directory, too. >> >> Thanks, >> Harry >> >> >> >> >>> The README shows the license below. >>> >>> ---------- >8 ================ >>> 20040623 release. >>> -- >>> This dictionary is based on a subset of the original >>> English wordlist created by Kevin Atkinson for Pspell >>> and Aspell and thus is covered by his original >>> LGPL license. The affix file is a heavily modified >>> version of the original english.aff file which was >>> released as part of Geoff Kuenning's Ispell and as >>> such is covered by his BSD license. >>> >>> Thanks to both authors for their wonderful work. >>> ---------- >8 ================ >>> >>> The README seems to describe en_US.aff is generated from english.aff >>> and it's under BSD license. >>> It looks like a critical problem. >>> >>> We cannot deliver BSD-old licensed files with GPL. >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_License#UC_Berkeley_advertising_clause >>> >>> I also checked english.aff with: >>> http://search.cranfield.ac.uk/htdig/english.aff >>> >>> It explains that this software must display the acknowledgment: >>> # This product includes software developed by Geoff Kuenning and >>> # other unpaid contributors. >>> >>> >>> I'm afraid we cannot deliver en_US.aff. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> fujiwara >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> Subject: >>> Re: [jds-review] Request of SUNWmyspell-dictionary.spec code review >>> From: >>> Harry Lu <harry.lu at sun.com> >>> Date: >>> Wed, 02 May 2007 21:34:10 +0800 >>> To: >>> Takao Fujiwara <Takao.Fujiwara at Sun.COM> >>> >>> To: >>> Takao Fujiwara <Takao.Fujiwara at Sun.COM> >>> CC: >>> Deirdre Williams <Deirdre.Williams at Sun.COM>, "Haixia.Wang" >>> <Haixia.Wang at Sun.COM>, "Brian.Lu" <Brian.Lu at Sun.COM>, >>> jds-review at opensolaris.org, "Irene (Shi Ying) Huang" >>> <Irene.Huang at Sun.COM> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, 2007-05-02 at 22:06 +0900, Takao Fujiwara wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Please confirm it asap. >>>> My guess is that SO works with BSD-old. >>>> >>> >>> >>> I have no idea :( >>> >>> >>>>> OK. I am not a legal person, so I think either Helen or Brian should >>>>> contact the original author Geoff Kuenning and the current author of >>>>> en-US.aff to see what the license now is. They should also decide >>>>> >>>> >>>> I think the better way is to remedy the original license with the autor >>>> Geoff Kuenning if the licese is still BSD-old. >>>> >>> >>> >>> Yeah, I agree. Changing it to BSD-new looks a good solution. As Helen >>> and Brian are in Chinese holidays until May, 7, they can begin to work >>> on this when they come back to work. >>> >>> >>> >>>> OK, it looks better to install en_US.aff at the moment from your >>>> request. But please note l10n cannot have the responsibility for the >>>> caused result. >>>> >>> >>> >>> Sure, I know. That file has been in S10 and Nevada for a long time. The >>> mozilla base team should be responsible for it. At this time, could you >>> ship the README file together with en_US.aff? This will make us look >>> better, I guess. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Harry >>> >>> >>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> fujiwara >>>> >>>> Harry Lu wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Wed, 2007-05-02 at 18:32 +0900, Takao Fujiwara wrote: >>>>> The original English dictionaries were delivered by mozilla base team. >>>>> So Brian and Helen, could you please address this issue? I added some >>>>> comments based on my understanding below. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> 1. Do you need en_US.aff? >>>>>> >>>>>> From enchant's code and mozilla's code at >>>>> >>>>> http://lxr.mozilla.org/mozilla/source/extensions/spellcheck/locales/en-US/myspell/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> and >>>>> http://lxr.mozilla.org/mozilla/source/extensions/spellcheck/myspell/src/ >>>>> , >>>>> >>>>> The answer should be YES. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> 2. Do you have the proper legal review for English dictionary? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> As we have an executive summary that codes downloaded from mozilla.org >>>>> and gnome.org won't need OSR, I guess we didn't do OSR for this >>>>> particular issue before. >>>>> >>>>> There is no license file for en-US.aff under >>>>> http://lxr.mozilla.org/mozilla/source/extensions/spellcheck/locales/en-US/myspell/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> and I cannot access >>>>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Dictionaries >>>>> by webcache.uk, either. From the README file you provided below, I >>>>> guess it is released under the original BSD license which might be a >>>>> problem. If it has been changed to new BSD license, I think it >>>>> should be >>>>> OK. I am not a legal person, so I think either Helen or Brian should >>>>> contact the original author Geoff Kuenning and the current author of >>>>> en-US.aff to see what the license now is. They should also decide >>>>> whether we need an OSR for it. >>>>> >>>>> I don't know if you remove en-US.aff now, whether enchant and >>>>> thunderbird/firefox's spell-checking function still works. As this >>>>> file >>>>> has been in S10 and Nevada for a long time, and both the Mozilla >>>>> community and the OpenOffice community are using it, maybe we can keep >>>>> it for now and find a legal solution at the same time. Maybe we should >>>>> ship the README file in the same directory, too. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Harry >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> The README shows the license below. >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------- >8 ================ >>>>>> 20040623 release. >>>>>> -- >>>>>> This dictionary is based on a subset of the original >>>>>> English wordlist created by Kevin Atkinson for Pspell >>>>>> and Aspell and thus is covered by his original >>>>>> LGPL license. The affix file is a heavily modified >>>>>> version of the original english.aff file which was >>>>>> released as part of Geoff Kuenning's Ispell and as >>>>>> such is covered by his BSD license. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks to both authors for their wonderful work. >>>>>> ---------- >8 ================ >>>>>> >>>>>> The README seems to describe en_US.aff is generated from english.aff >>>>>> and it's under BSD license. >>>>>> It looks like a critical problem. >>>>>> >>>>>> We cannot deliver BSD-old licensed files with GPL. >>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_License#UC_Berkeley_advertising_clause >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I also checked english.aff with: >>>>>> http://search.cranfield.ac.uk/htdig/english.aff >>>>>> >>>>>> It explains that this software must display the acknowledgment: >>>>>> # This product includes software developed by Geoff Kuenning and >>>>>> # other unpaid contributors. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm afraid we cannot deliver en_US.aff. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> fujiwara >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >
