Status update here: I did not forget about this topic, and am still planning to submit the JEP and new PoC for ComunityBridge, it was just delayed due to other emergencies in my personal life and in the Jenkins project (and overall lack of time). I plan to work on that in parallel with helping the Core Release Automation project, but I cannot guarantee the exact delivery date.
BR, Oleg On Saturday, January 18, 2020 at 10:33:16 PM UTC+1, Marky Jackson wrote: > > I am interested in mentorship and will ping you offline > > On Jan 18, 2020, at 11:09 AM, Oleg Nenashev <[email protected] > <javascript:>> wrote: > > > Hi all, > > Just an update in this thread, I have set up the donations page prototype: > https://funding.communitybridge.org/projects/jenkins > As discussed at the Advocacy&Outreach SIG meeting on Thursday, we will > make additional review with CDF to ensure that CommunityBridge Funding is > fine for the CDF projects. > I am pretty sure it will be OK since many CNCF projects are already > represented on this Linux Foundation portal, but let's see. > > So now we have two landings: > > - Funding <https://funding.communitybridge.org/projects/jenkins> > - Mentorship > > <https://people.communitybridge.org/project/bce45251-1ff4-4131-9699-0a0017b31495/> > > To whomever interested in mentorship, right now we can run mentorship > programs with stipend and without one. There were some mentee applicants > since Nov whom we could review (run a project there or invite to GSoC, for > example). If you are interested, ping me in > https://gitter.im/jenkinsci/advocacy-and-outreach-sig > > Best regards, > Oleg Nenashev > > > On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 4:19 PM Oleg Nenashev <[email protected] > <javascript:>> wrote: > >> Beta testing of the new funding page was approved at the yesterday's >> Governance >> Meeting <https://jenkins.io/project/governance-meeting/>, thanks to all >> for the feedback! >> I will get the agreements implemented and report back once the reference >> implementation is ready. >> >> >> On Friday, December 27, 2019 at 11:47:21 AM UTC+1, Ullrich Hafner wrote: >>> >>> +1 >>> I like the idea as well. >>> >>> Am 26.12.2019 um 13:35 schrieb Oleg Nenashev <[email protected]>: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I am working on the Jenkins donations page <https://jenkins.io/donate/> >>> update >>> at the moment (INFRA-2396 >>> <https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/INFRA-2396>), and I would like to >>> propose some changes there so that we can have a funding source once SPI >>> retires the Jenkins donations as a part of our transition to CDF. Jenkins >>> funding helps us to run outreach programs and to cover some infrastructure >>> costs, and as a board member I think it is really important to keep it >>> running and, ideally, to facilitate funding and using the money in the >>> project. >>> >>> *TL:DR:* Let's use CommunityBridge >>> <https://funding.communitybridge.org/> as a SPI replacement to raise >>> funds. It is maintained by Linux Foundation, and it is recommended for all >>> projects within LF or sub-foundations like CDF. Examples: CHAOSS >>> <https://funding.communitybridge.org/projects/chaoss>, Manjaro >>> <https://funding.communitybridge.org/projects/manjaro> or KiCAD >>> <https://funding.communitybridge.org/projects/06d36004-70a3-4f1f-8ae3-d0b2dd98815d> >>> >>> >>> *Background.* Jenkins project operates thanks to contributions and >>> sponsorship (infra, meetups, swag, etc, etc.). Historically we did not have >>> high cash flows in the project, we mostly spend money on infra and on >>> outreach programs (swag, travel grants, Outreachy and Community Bridge in >>> 2019). Sponsorship covered the most of our "big" expenses (e.g. Azure, >>> meetup.com, contributor summits, etc.), but there is a tendency to >>> formalize such donations through CDF. Currently sponsorship through CDF is >>> a lengthy process not suitable for small donations, and it would be great >>> to have a simple process so that we can raise money to facilitate the >>> changes in the project. >>> >>> *Current state* >>> >>> - https://jenkins.io/donate/ documents the donations policy. >>> - This page has not been updated for a while, working on it >>> - This page basically designates donations to be consumed for >>> Jenkins Infra, >>> - There is an explicit statement that "Your contribution is not >>> used for paying personnel.". Arguably, this is what we do for >>> Outreachy and >>> CommunityBridge though stipend for outreach projects != salary >>> - Jenkins uses SPI to accept donations. Soon SPI will no longer >>> accept donations to Jenkins due as a part of the transition to CDF. The >>> exact date is TBD, but the decision has been already made in Spring 2019 >>> as >>> communicated by Tracy Miranda >>> - We also accept donations through ffis.de, but the status is >>> unknown (WEBSITE-703 >>> <https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/WEBSITE-703> tracks the >>> investigation). It is also not clear whether they have Jenkins money on >>> their accounts and how to access them >>> - CommunityBridge Funding site >>> <https://funding.communitybridge.org/projects/jenkins> is enabled >>> for mentorship donations only as a part of Governance Meeting decisions >>> in >>> July 2019). We used it to dry-run the JCasC Dev Tools project >>> <https://jenkins.io/projects/jcasc/dev-tools/> this year, and it >>> works pretty well (except the SPI => LF transfer part which was the >>> major >>> obstacle for the mentee payments). >>> >>> >>> *Suggested changes* >>> >>> - Update "Your contribution is not used for paying personnel " to be >>> explicit that the Jenkins project might use money to sponsor >>> limited-term >>> work on the project: outreach initiatives, addressing mission-critical >>> topics (e.g. INFRA needs) or facilitating projects required for the >>> Jenkins >>> future' (e.g. JCasC, Cloud Native Jenkins, etc.) >>> - All such projects will need to be approved by the Governance >>> meeting >>> - The payments should be limited to reasonable amounts so that it >>> is "facilitating contributions / mentorship" but not a fully-paid >>> job. E.g. GSoC >>> stipends >>> >>> <https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/help/student-stipends> >>> could >>> be used as a reference >>> - Enable CommunityBridge-based sponsorship for all available >>> categories: Development, Marketing, Meetups, Bug Bounty, Travel and >>> Documentation. We update documentation to mark it as a default donations >>> way. >>> - It will enable organization payments and also small monthly >>> donations by individuals in the Patreon style. E.g. see CHAOSS >>> <https://funding.communitybridge.org/projects/chaoss>, Manjaro >>> <https://funding.communitybridge.org/projects/manjaro> or KiCAD >>> >>> <https://funding.communitybridge.org/projects/06d36004-70a3-4f1f-8ae3-d0b2dd98815d> >>> - As a risk for this plan, Core Infrastructure Initiative >>> <https://www.coreinfrastructure.org/> certification is expected >>> for projects on Community Bridge in long term. I got clarification >>> from >>> Linux Foundation that it is not a blocker at the moment. See >>> INFRA-2396 <https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/INFRA-2396> for >>> the context >>> - CommunityBridge allows donations to be designated to particular >>> areas so that donors can decide what they sponsor >>> - In the future I would suggest to allow targeted sponsoring of >>> big changes as outreach projects. It is way of the scope for this >>> thread, >>> so I will create a follow-up once I am ready >>> - Mark SPI-based donations as deprecated. Even if they continue to >>> work, reimbursements from SPI and transferring money from SPI to Linux >>> Foundation is a lengthy process due to the SPI activist-driven model. >>> SPI >>> helped the project A LOT, but the payments experience should improve >>> since >>> Linux Foundation has full-time employees responsible for payments >>> - Investigate the status of ffis.de and update the documentation >>> accordingly. Mark as deprecated in the case of doubt >>> >>> This proposal does not include raising visibility of the donations page. >>> But we can definitely do it once the new flow is set up and battle-tested. >>> >>> If there is a consensus and approval at the next governance meeting, I >>> will proceed by setting up a PoC and creating a JEP draft for funding. >>> >>> Thanks for your time, >>> Oleg Nenashev >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Jenkins Developers" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-dev/CAPfivLDPkPHSCPao3Nw1SqtykPhTKpaqMnA8ryT31VZVUziXzw%40mail.gmail.com >>> >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-dev/CAPfivLDPkPHSCPao3Nw1SqtykPhTKpaqMnA8ryT31VZVUziXzw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >> Google Groups "Jenkins Developers" group. >> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/jenkinsci-dev/iLutO2X0bdg/unsubscribe. >> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >> [email protected] <javascript:>. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-dev/6d970ba6-501a-46fe-93cd-47b44b33f50a%40googlegroups.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-dev/6d970ba6-501a-46fe-93cd-47b44b33f50a%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Jenkins Advocacy and Outreach SIG" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <javascript:>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkins-advocacy-and-outreach-sig/CAPfivLAwSEd%2BSVa%3DvaC_i4hGWLm-meDfaV41Q2nW-ZaNg8-4GA%40mail.gmail.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkins-advocacy-and-outreach-sig/CAPfivLAwSEd%2BSVa%3DvaC_i4hGWLm-meDfaV41Q2nW-ZaNg8-4GA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Jenkins Developers" group. 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