Jetty 10 requires Java 11, so there’s one concrete reason to upgrade sometime.
On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 13:14 Matt Sicker <msic...@cloudbees.com> wrote: > Oh neat, that's good news! I hope they backport their ChaCha cipher > code, too, because that's still only supported by BouncyCastle > otherwise for Java 8 as far as I'm aware. > > On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 12:26 PM James Nord <te...@teilo.net> wrote: > > > > > and it also natively supports TLS 1.3 which is fairly important > > for HTTPS as well as for securing inbound remoting agents. > > > > FTR that should be available in recent OpenJDK releases. > > https://bugs.openjdk.java.net/browse/JDK-8245466 > > > > > > On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 16:35, Matt Sicker <msic...@cloudbees.com> wrote: > >> > >> It may be important to note that requiring Java 11 to run Jenkins > >> doesn't mean you can't still use it to build Java 8 (or older!) > >> projects. > >> > >> From a user point of view, I'd prefer that we can at least ensure that > >> Jenkins runs properly in the latest Java releases. Running a newer JVM > >> brings with it all the performance improvements over the past few > >> years, and it also natively supports TLS 1.3 which is fairly important > >> for HTTPS as well as for securing inbound remoting agents. The > >> HttpClient API is one of the nifty features provided since Java 11, > >> too, as already mentioned. Project Loom may turn out to be incredibly > >> useful for Jenkins. And then there's also potential that the JPMS API > >> might be useful for enhancing plugin class loader isolation. > >> > >> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 4:55 AM jn...@cloudbees.com <jn...@cloudbees.com> > wrote: > >> > > >> > > is there any advantages in java 11 your looking forward to > >> > > >> > Personally I would change my code to use a HTTP client library that > has async support, SNI, (all the things you expect) and not rely on a third > party API that does not have stellar backwards compatibility :) > >> > > https://docs.oracle.com/en/java/javase/11/docs/api/java.net.http/java/net/http/HttpClient.html > >> > > >> > > >> > On Friday, December 4, 2020 at 9:03:57 AM UTC ga...@gavinmogan.com > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> As a non java person, Is there any advantages in java 11 your > looking forward to? ones that might encourage people to upgrade? I know > streams and lambdas were nice in 8(?) > >> >> > >> >> its my understanding that most things should now compile with java > 11, but not bumping the minimum version yet. > >> >> > >> >> Gavin > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 12:43 AM Ullrich Hafner <ullrich...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> Ok, I understand that. I wasn’t aware that so may people are still > using Java 8. My students just ask me every time they want to contribute to > my Jenkins plugins why they still need to use that old Java version ;-) > >> >>> > >> >>> Am 04.12.2020 um 08:34 schrieb Tim Jacomb <timja...@gmail.com>: > >> >>> > >> >>> I would be definitely +1 for switching defaults and encouraging > people to use jdk11 > >> >>> > >> >>> And not against updating the minimum version, people will move when > they have to. > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> The problem is that Oracle will provide support until 2030, that > means nobody will be forced in the near future… > >> >>> > >> >>> At my previous work we moved from 7 to 8 when we had to and it was > no issue... > >> >>> > >> >>> We’ve been on 11 for awhile here... > >> >>> > >> >>> Java 8 is 6 years older at this point, yes a lots been backported > but that doesn’t mean we should stay at it forever > >> >>> > >> >>> Sonarqube recently moved to require java 11 as an example of one > development tool that has gone there before us > >> >>> > >> >>> Thanks > >> >>> Tim > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 00:33, Oleg Nenashev <o.v.ne...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Yes, the Java 11 adoption is still very low. It was around 30% > last time I have seen the stats. Around 60% of users still run Java 8. With > such a state it does not make sense to drop the Java 8 compatibility > without really serious reasons which we IMHO do not have. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> On a separate note, a few weeks ago we discussed moving to Java 11 > in the default container tags (`latest`, `stable` and so on). Even in this > case we were far from having a consensus, because it would require a > coordinate update of agents and controllers by many Jenkins users. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> BR, Oleg > >> >>>> > >> >>>> On Thursday, December 3, 2020 at 6:40:01 PM UTC+1 Mark Waite wrote: > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> There are not. Considering the relatively low adoption rate of > Java 11, I'd personally resist a move to make Java 11 the baseline for > quite a while unless there were some way to preserve and assure that Java 8 > continues to work as expected even with Java 11 as the baseline. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 8:57 AM Ullrich Hafner < > ullrich...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> Are there already plans to move the Java baseline from Java 8 to > Java 11 in the near future in Jenkins core? > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> -- > >> >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the > Google Groups "Jenkins Developers" group. > >> >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from > it, send an email to jenkinsci-de...@googlegroups.com. > >> >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-dev/6BBCBBDB-FBCE-4210-BE0C-F3DA73777D8B%40gmail.com > . > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> -- > >> >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Jenkins Developers" group. > >> >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > send an email to jenkinsci-de...@googlegroups.com. > >> >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-dev/692ae683-264b-47bd-bb8b-52c89de574bbn%40googlegroups.com > . > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> -- > >> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Jenkins Developers" group. > >> >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > send an email to jenkinsci-de...@googlegroups.com. > >> >>> To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-dev/CAH-3Bic%3D266-%3DZPnSh6MAZ%2B8rtduOoo8fyVqZYDG8CW62%3DQAqQ%40mail.gmail.com > . > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> -- > >> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Jenkins Developers" group. > >> >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > send an email to jenkinsci-de...@googlegroups.com. > >> >>> > >> >>> To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-dev/491F0F5C-CE94-458A-AC65-1929B159D58C%40gmail.com > . > >> > > >> > -- > >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Jenkins Developers" group. > >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > send an email to jenkinsci-dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >> > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-dev/5150b925-4f70-4de7-8bd6-793c5cfc1623n%40googlegroups.com > . > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Matt Sicker > >> Senior Software Engineer, CloudBees > >> > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Jenkins Developers" group. > >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to jenkinsci-dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >> To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-dev/CAEot4owdez8tPzyKSD-90e-uHgkMu2hAhT_UvwkT1%3DUNG9WTJg%40mail.gmail.com > . > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Jenkins Developers" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to jenkinsci-dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-dev/CAPzq3pfcvHqotN7_yjXn5XXt89WOXbcgTAP55dy1p_cJyhV8PA%40mail.gmail.com > . > > > > -- > Matt Sicker > Senior Software Engineer, CloudBees > -- Matt Sicker Senior Software Engineer, CloudBees -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Jenkins Developers" group. 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