Hi Craig - well for pipeline specifically, if you jump on the dev list andrew is trying to flag down some interest in a declarative script: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/jenkinsci-dev/Vsvq6UkIRAQ which should be easy for most.
As for a form based thing, I expect that to be around in any new world (freestyle or simplified pipeline, same result, type in a script). If you have any thought on the plumber thing (which keeps people away from being groovy experts) please lets talk on the dev list. On Friday, May 27, 2016 at 4:59:41 PM UTC+10, Craig Rodrigues wrote: > > Hi, > > The new Jenkins UI looks nice, and will be a big improvement over the > existing UI. > > The original selling point of Jenkins was that even with the simplistic > forms-based UI, > someone could fill out a relatively simple form, and have a continuous > integration pipeline. > I have met people who were general devops and scripting people, and could > use Jenkins quite nicely. > > While I understand the motivation for Pipeline (previously known as > Workflow), I can't say I'm very happy with the results. > > Here are some of the pain points I've encountered with Pipeline scripts: > > - Other than the most trivial of scripts, you need to be a > knowledgable Groovy programmer. For example, to make a global variable, > you need to use a @Field. (What?!) Most scripting and devops people that > I know don't really know Groovy. > - Documentation for Pipeline scripts isn't that great (although it has > definitely been improving). In all honesty, I cannot point a junior > scripting person to write a good Pipeline script for developing a build > Pipeline. > - The durable task plugin which invokes shell commands on Unix, and > batch jobs on Windows goes through an elaborate method for invoking shell > commands. It is very, very difficult to grab the exit status of commands, > stderr, stdout, etc. For a while, these wrappers would do things like not > detect when a command had terminated, etc. (Looks like this has been fixed > now) > - It is very hard to figure out how to cancel a running Pipeline job. > The UI link to "Click here to cancel" a Pipeline job is hidden in the > build > output, and often doesn't work. > > I understand that Jenkins is going through a big transition period. > Hopefully at the end of the road, things will be much better. > However, at this point in time, I would say that in many ways, the current > direction is *worse* than the old way of doing things with the old > Jenkins UI. > The old way has problems, but it was easy to figure out, and didn't have a > lot of these intermediate layers that try to abstract things out, > but make things harder to figure out what is going on. > > -- > Craig > > > > On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 3:21 PM, James Dumay <jdu...@cloudbees.com > <javascript:>> wrote: > >> >> Today we’ve made the source code <https://github.com/cloudbees/blueocean> >> available on Github, written a blog post >> <https://jenkins.io/blog/2016/05/26/introducing-blue-ocean/> and created >> a video <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dITffteCD4> explaining the >> project in more detail. We will be posting more updates to both the blog >> and mailing lists when there are more updates to share. >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Jenkins Users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to jenkinsci-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-users/0fd61f23-140f-4167-bfd5-4771ce97e4f5%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
