I will say that FS is absolutely not the same company as H J. FS has changed ownership several times of late and the new bunch has not really demonstrated any real interest in enabling the user to have JAWS at an affordable price. I fully believe that government cut backs will eliminate a number of companies who have gouged the clients for everything they can get out of them. This is very true for the providers of assistave devices for the orthapedically handicapped. $4,000 for a manual wheel chair is ot ridiculous, it should be criminal. (LOLLOLLOL) Cy
-----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur via Jfw Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 2:33 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Subject: Re: Screen Readers Would you be saying this if the thing was reversed? If it were freedomscientific offering jaws for fre? Please keep in mind also GW micro has been around sense 1990 longer than freedomscientific. RJ/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicole Massey via Jfw" <[email protected]> To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 4:26 PM Subject: RE: Screen Readers > The big question I keep coming back to is how GW Micro, which is > structured as a for profit company, is going to make any money from > giving it away for free to use with Office. I understand their angle, > that they might get people to buy it if they get used to using it with > Word et al, but I don't think that's going to work how they want it > to. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Londa >> Peterson via Jfw >> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 12:59 PM >> To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' >> Subject: RE: Screen Readers >> >> Hi Kimber, >> >> I haven't tried the free Window-eyes offer yet, but I'm reading mixed >> reviews on the various lists I'm on. Some people really love it, but >> others are having major issues. I guess that's why I haven't tried it >> yet. In other words, I don't think you're alone. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kimber >> Gardner via Jfw >> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 1:55 PM >> To: The Jaws for Windows support list. >> Subject: Re: Screen Readers >> >> Just as a point of information with no judgment intended, I recently >> purchased Office 2013 and thought I'd take advantage of the free >> Window Eyes offer to take it for a test drive. Aside from the fact I >> found the command structure rather confusing, window eyes >> consistently crashed my laptop. This happened so often I decided to >> take it off my system and won't be returning to it any time soon. >> >> Your milage, as they say, may vary. But I'm curious to know if this >> happened because the two screen readers were vying for the eloquence >> synthesizer? Or is there some other inherent conflict between JFW and >> WE? >> >> I have since chosen to use NVDA as my backup screen reader for when >> Jaws takes a dive. >> >> Thoughts? >> >> Kimber >> >> On 5/9/14, James Malone via Jfw <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Just a heads up, I've been asked to try and use the jaws set AP >> within >> > window-eyes. A lot of clients that can't afford to keep up with >> > their >> plans >> > to upgrade Jaws is getting their systems preloaded with Window-Eyes >> > and word. This is included with their new system. >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >> > Judith Bron via Jfw >> > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 8:08 AM >> > To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' >> > Subject: RE: Screen Readers >> > >> > GW Micro is also making window eyes available in the maimn menu of >> > Microsoft products. Eventually, at this rate, all of us will be >> using >> > window eyes. >> > Judith >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cy >> > Selfridge via Jfw >> > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 10:57 AM >> > To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' >> > Subject: RE: Screen Readers >> > >> > I absolutely agree with you in this. >> > With government funding getting shorter and shorter FS may have >> > problems selling their wares to their largest client. >> > Cy >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >> > Gerald Levy via Jfw >> > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 8:49 AM >> > To: The Jaws for Windows support list. >> > Subject: Re: Screen Readers >> > >> > >> > No matter how scrittable Narrator becomes, it will never be as >> > functional or feature-rich as JAWS or Window Eyes. If any screen >> > reader is in trouble, it may be JAWS, not Window Eyes. As long as >> > FS continues to charge upwards >> of >> > $1000 for JAWS and makes absolutely no concessions to make it more >> > affordable like GW Micro has with Window Eyes, it is in more danger >> of >> > going under than GW Micro. >> > >> > Gerald >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Nicole Massey via Jfw" <[email protected]> >> > To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <[email protected]> >> > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 10:25 AM >> > Subject: RE: Screen Readers >> > >> > >> >> Indications are that Window Eyes is also on its way down the chute. >> >> This move to offer it free with Office is a desperation maneuver, >> and >> >> since Narrator will (hopefully, if the reports are correct) be >> >> scriptable in Windows 9 it doesn't look good for GW Micro. >> >> Jaws will probably hang on a bit longer thanks to existing scripts >> >> and legacy programs, but this is not good news for any add-on >> >> screen reader company. >> >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >> >>> From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >> Gerald >> >>> Levy via Jfw >> >>> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 9:17 AM >> >>> To: The Jaws for Windows support list. >> >>> Subject: Re: Screen Readers >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Well, Serotek is still in business, so I guess System Access is >> till >> >>> around, but who knows for how long? Now that Mike Calvo is gone, >> >>> and Window Eyes is being offered free to users of Office 2010 and >> >>> 2013, not to mention NVDA, which is also free, it is hard to see >> how >> >>> Serotek can remain a viable competitor in the cscreen reader >> market. >> >>> >> >>> Gerald >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>> From: "Nicole Massey via Jfw" <[email protected]> >> >>> To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" >> >>> <[email protected]> >> >>> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 10:02 AM >> >>> Subject: RE: Screen Readers >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > Is System Access still free and in production? >> >>> > >> >>> >> -----Original Message----- >> >>> >> From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >> >>> >> Mario Brusco via Jfw >> >>> >> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 8:59 AM >> >>> >> To: The Jaws for Windows support list. >> >>> >> Subject: Re: Screen Readers >> >>> >> >> >>> >> there also is the built in one in Windows called narrator, >> >>> >> which I would like to purchase something to replace MS Anna, >> >>> >> like Lequendo's Allison. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>> >> From: "Anna Byrne via Jfw" <[email protected]> >> >>> >> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." >> >>> >> <[email protected]> >> >>> >> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 9:25 AM >> >>> >> Subject: RE: Screen Readers >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Thunder used to read MS Access when JAWS wouldn't. The voice >> >>> >> is awful, but it was a good reader. >> >>> >> At 06:51 AM 5/9/2014, you wrote: >> >>> >> >A couple of years ago, there was another one from The UK, >> >>> >> >Thunder screen Reader. It's the feature attraction in a suite >> of >> >>> >> >programs-- >> >>> a >> >>> >> >basic PDF reader, Internet radio guide, and other stuff. >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> >Ted >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> >-----Original Message----- >> >>> >> >From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >> >>> >> >Mario Brusco via Jfw >> >>> >> >Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 7:47 PM >> >>> >> >To: The Jaws for Windows support list. >> >>> >> >Subject: Re: Screen Readers >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> >Non Visual Desktop Access (NVDA) from nvaccess.org is the >> >>> >> >only one that I know of that's free, but a donation is encouraged. >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >>> >> >From: "Kevin Hourigan via Jfw" <[email protected]> >> >>> >> >To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <[email protected] >> jdh.com> >> >>> >> >Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 5:33 PM >> >>> >> >Subject: Screen Readers >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> >Hello Listers, >> >>> >> >Could anyone post some of the screen readers downloadable for >> >>> >> >free >> >>> >> please? 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