Hi Nicole, When the original blurb came across about GW Micro there were some caveats about "support". I never followed any of them up but it appeared to me that the "free" version came with little or no support. You could, of course, purchase a maintenance agreement and have full support. Now, after I posted the thing about Microsoft running off other companies I gave it more thought and you do have a valid point. It will be most interesting to see which snake crawls in bed with which other snake. (LOLLOLLOL) I suspet that several companies may well be looking down the gun barrel wondering when the bullet will come flying out. (LOLLOL) Someone mentioned Sendaro and I wlso wonder how long they can survive charging a grand for a navagation system which can be had for very little or even free on the iPhones and other i-devices. I did notice a special offer from Sendaro for the Braille Notes but have not looked into it either. I can safely say that the future should be most interesting indeed. I have not renewed my SMA with Fs and mnay not ever do so. Cy -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nicole Massey via Jfw Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 2:27 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Subject: RE: Screen Readers
The big question I keep coming back to is how GW Micro, which is structured as a for profit company, is going to make any money from giving it away for free to use with Office. I understand their angle, that they might get people to buy it if they get used to using it with Word et al, but I don't think that's going to work how they want it to. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Londa > Peterson via Jfw > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 12:59 PM > To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' > Subject: RE: Screen Readers > > Hi Kimber, > > I haven't tried the free Window-eyes offer yet, but I'm reading mixed > reviews on the various lists I'm on. Some people really love it, but > others are having major issues. I guess that's why I haven't tried it > yet. In other words, I don't think you're alone. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kimber > Gardner via Jfw > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 1:55 PM > To: The Jaws for Windows support list. > Subject: Re: Screen Readers > > Just as a point of information with no judgment intended, I recently > purchased Office 2013 and thought I'd take advantage of the free > Window Eyes offer to take it for a test drive. Aside from the fact I > found the command structure rather confusing, window eyes consistently > crashed my laptop. This happened so often I decided to take it off my > system and won't be returning to it any time soon. > > Your milage, as they say, may vary. But I'm curious to know if this > happened because the two screen readers were vying for the eloquence > synthesizer? Or is there some other inherent conflict between JFW and > WE? > > I have since chosen to use NVDA as my backup screen reader for when > Jaws takes a dive. > > Thoughts? > > Kimber > > On 5/9/14, James Malone via Jfw <[email protected]> wrote: > > Just a heads up, I've been asked to try and use the jaws set AP > within > > window-eyes. A lot of clients that can't afford to keep up with > > their > plans > > to upgrade Jaws is getting their systems preloaded with Window-Eyes > > and word. This is included with their new system. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Judith > > Bron via Jfw > > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 8:08 AM > > To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' > > Subject: RE: Screen Readers > > > > GW Micro is also making window eyes available in the maimn menu of > > Microsoft products. Eventually, at this rate, all of us will be > using > > window eyes. > > Judith > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cy > > Selfridge via Jfw > > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 10:57 AM > > To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' > > Subject: RE: Screen Readers > > > > I absolutely agree with you in this. > > With government funding getting shorter and shorter FS may have > > problems selling their wares to their largest client. > > Cy > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gerald > > Levy via Jfw > > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 8:49 AM > > To: The Jaws for Windows support list. > > Subject: Re: Screen Readers > > > > > > No matter how scrittable Narrator becomes, it will never be as > > functional or feature-rich as JAWS or Window Eyes. If any screen > > reader is in trouble, it may be JAWS, not Window Eyes. As long as > > FS continues to charge upwards > of > > $1000 for JAWS and makes absolutely no concessions to make it more > > affordable like GW Micro has with Window Eyes, it is in more danger > of > > going under than GW Micro. > > > > Gerald > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Nicole Massey via Jfw" <[email protected]> > > To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 10:25 AM > > Subject: RE: Screen Readers > > > > > >> Indications are that Window Eyes is also on its way down the chute. > >> This move to offer it free with Office is a desperation maneuver, > and > >> since Narrator will (hopefully, if the reports are correct) be > >> scriptable in Windows 9 it doesn't look good for GW Micro. > >> Jaws will probably hang on a bit longer thanks to existing scripts > >> and legacy programs, but this is not good news for any add-on > >> screen reader company. > >> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Gerald > >>> Levy via Jfw > >>> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 9:17 AM > >>> To: The Jaws for Windows support list. > >>> Subject: Re: Screen Readers > >>> > >>> > >>> Well, Serotek is still in business, so I guess System Access is > till > >>> around, but who knows for how long? Now that Mike Calvo is gone, > >>> and Window Eyes is being offered free to users of Office 2010 and > >>> 2013, not to mention NVDA, which is also free, it is hard to see > how > >>> Serotek can remain a viable competitor in the cscreen reader > market. > >>> > >>> Gerald > >>> > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Nicole Massey via Jfw" <[email protected]> > >>> To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" <[email protected]> > >>> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 10:02 AM > >>> Subject: RE: Screen Readers > >>> > >>> > >>> > Is System Access still free and in production? > >>> > > >>> >> -----Original Message----- > >>> >> From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > >>> >> Mario Brusco via Jfw > >>> >> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 8:59 AM > >>> >> To: The Jaws for Windows support list. > >>> >> Subject: Re: Screen Readers > >>> >> > >>> >> there also is the built in one in Windows called narrator, > >>> >> which I would like to purchase something to replace MS Anna, > >>> >> like Lequendo's Allison. > >>> >> > >>> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> >> From: "Anna Byrne via Jfw" <[email protected]> > >>> >> To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." > >>> >> <[email protected]> > >>> >> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 9:25 AM > >>> >> Subject: RE: Screen Readers > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> Thunder used to read MS Access when JAWS wouldn't. The voice > >>> >> is awful, but it was a good reader. > >>> >> At 06:51 AM 5/9/2014, you wrote: > >>> >> >A couple of years ago, there was another one from The UK, > >>> >> >Thunder screen Reader. It's the feature attraction in a suite > of > >>> >> >programs-- > >>> a > >>> >> >basic PDF reader, Internet radio guide, and other stuff. > >>> >> > > >>> >> >Ted > >>> >> > > >>> >> >-----Original Message----- > >>> >> >From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > >>> >> >Mario Brusco via Jfw > >>> >> >Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 7:47 PM > >>> >> >To: The Jaws for Windows support list. > >>> >> >Subject: Re: Screen Readers > >>> >> > > >>> >> >Non Visual Desktop Access (NVDA) from nvaccess.org is the only > >>> >> >one that I know of that's free, but a donation is encouraged. > >>> >> > > >>> >> >----- Original Message ----- > >>> >> >From: "Kevin Hourigan via Jfw" <[email protected]> > >>> >> >To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <[email protected] > jdh.com> > >>> >> >Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 5:33 PM > >>> >> >Subject: Screen Readers > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> >Hello Listers, > >>> >> >Could anyone post some of the screen readers downloadable for > >>> >> >free > >>> >> please? > >>> >> >So I can compare them to Jaws. > >>> >> >Thanks Kevin Hourigan. > >>> >> >-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was > >>> >> >scrubbed... > >>> >> >URL: > >>> >> ><http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the- > >>> >> jdh.com/attachments/20140508/bf09ca7d/attachment.html> > >>> >> >-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment > >>> >> >was scrubbed... > >>> >> >Name: wlEmoticon-smile[1].png > >>> >> >Type: image/png > >>> >> >Size: 1046 bytes > >>> >> >Desc: not available > >>> >> >URL: > >>> >> ><http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the- > >>> >> jdh.com/attachments/20140508/bf09ca7d/attachment.png> > >>> >> >_______________________________________________ > >>> >> >Jfw mailing list > >>> >> >[email protected] > >>> >> >http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.co > >>> >> >m > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> >_______________________________________________ > >>> >> >Jfw mailing list > >>> >> >[email protected] > >>> >> >http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.co > >>> >> >m > >>> >> > > >>> >> >_______________________________________________ > >>> >> >Jfw mailing list > >>> >> >[email protected] > >>> >> >http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.co > >>> >> >m > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> _______________________________________________ > >>> >> Jfw mailing list > >>> >> [email protected] > >>> >> http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> _______________________________________________ > >>> >> Jfw mailing list > >>> >> [email protected] > >>> >> http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> > Jfw mailing list > >>> > [email protected] > >>> > http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Jfw mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Jfw mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jfw mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jfw mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jfw mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com > > > > > > --- > > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! 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