Carolyn, FS did a neat tutorial on the Office ribbon a while back. The titles at the top really tell it all. Using Office ribbon allows you to navigate through the various commands, or go straight to them with the known shortcut keys, whereas turning on Virtual Ribbon disables the shortcuts you already know. I decided it was easier to learn the Ms way of doing things.
Ted -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold via Jfw Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 7:54 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' Cc: Carolyn Arnold Subject: RE: keystrokes vs virtual ribbons I think that if someone could sort of break the ribbon code, that it would make it easier for a lot of us, especially those of us who have good memory recall most of the time. I know there has to be a sort of pattern, just not on to it yet. It is amazing to me that with the market going to the clickers that it is all available on the keyboard, or most of it anyway. Bye for now, Carolyn -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales via Jfw Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 6:17 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <[email protected]> Cc: Pablo Morales <[email protected]> Subject: RE: keystrokes vs virtual ribbons Well, I see a lot of advantages using the virtual ribbons, especially when we are trying to teach someone how to use office with jaws. If we say to a blind person that is not familiar with MS Excel, press tab repeatedly until you hear "Calculate Sheet Button It doesn't make any sense at all, they are not understanding where is it, they are not understanding why this item is there, just they are understanding that calculate formula button is something that is there, and that they need to press tab many times until they hear calculate formula button. Now, it is very time consuming, and it reduces efficiency . Of course, we can remember the keystrokes, but how many keystrokes do we need to remember then? Isn't it better that we have an idea about where something is, and we get there with keystrokes, and just with up or down arrow we find what we need? It is time consuming, but a lot less than pressing tab many times. Moreover, if we are reading a manual, the manuals are created for sighted people, they are going to say, go to clipboard and click on copy format, the manuals are not going to say press tab 16 times and press enter on copy format. I am not saying that virtual ribbons are great, because they are not that great, but it is important to understand the structure of the ribbons, and it would be good that we are allow to use keystrokes when we are using the virtual ribbons, it will improve our efficiency a lot. And efficiency is something that can give us a job, or not. -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold via Jfw Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 5:05 PM To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <[email protected]> Cc: Carolyn Arnold <[email protected]> Subject: RE: keystrokes vs virtual ribbons Do you keep it on all? That is where mine is set. Bye for now, Carolyn -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt via Jfw Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 4:58 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <[email protected]> Cc: Adrian Spratt <[email protected]> Subject: RE: keystrokes vs virtual ribbons Kimber, I never understood that feature before, so thanks for mentioning it. For anyone interested, it's in the JAWS context menu, which I get to with JAWS key+j. Press enter on "options" and again on "basics," and tab to key+"access keys." Arrow up or down through four options. I believe "all" is the default, only because I never tinkered with this setting and "all" was selected. -----Original Message----- From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kimber Gardner via Jfw Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 2:27 PM To: The Jaws for Windows support list. Cc: Kimber Gardner Subject: Re: keystrokes vs virtual ribbons Hi Pablo, If you set your jaws announcements to speak access keys (I think?), then jaws will tell you the keystrokes as you tab through the ribbons without turning on virtual ribbons. I have an Excel spreadsheet that lists all the various ribbon commands and associated shortcuts/keystrokes. Yes, I am a little type A that way. <g> I'd be glad to share this document with you if you'd like. I don't use Excel enough to have a similar list, but I may get around to making one up one of these days. Kimber On 10/10/15, Pablo Morales via Jfw <[email protected]> wrote: > Using the virtual ribbon, there is a way to know what are the > keystrokes associated with each item in the ribbons? > > Use the ribbons helps a lot to understand the structure of the > ribbons, with the virtual ribbon off, is time consuming and is very > easy to get lost navigating with the tab key only. But with the > virtual ribbons on, the keystrokes doesn't work, and sometimes I > don't know what is worse, if the virtual ribbons on or off. But if I > need to get to a place in the ribbon, I have no way to learn the > keystrokes, only deactivating the virtual ribbons and pressing tab > many many times, and probably getting lost. > > So I see both ways very inconvenient. > > Is there a way to get the keystrokes and at the same time keeping the > logic structure of the ribbons,? > > I am trying to teach people to use MS word, and excel, but the ribbons > is very hard to make them understand the structure of each ribbons, > but the ribbon as unique tool using these programs is not going to be > so efficient in the future either. > > > > So there is a way to get the keystrokes when we are navigating through > the virtual ribbons, and like this once we know where and what is the > structure of the ribbons, just use the keystrokes associated with each > item on the ribbons? > > Thanks > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was > scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.the-jdh.com/pipermail/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com/attachments/ > 20151010/bfd8984a/attachment.html> > _______________________________________________ > Jfw mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com > -- Kimberly _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list [email protected] http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list [email protected] http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list [email protected] http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list [email protected] http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list [email protected] http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com _______________________________________________ Jfw mailing list [email protected] http://lists.the-jdh.com/mailman/listinfo/jfw_lists.the-jdh.com
