Hi Tris,
Thanks for your informative post.
Perhaps I have become confused about there possibly being different
settings for Word 6. I originally thought this because of HJ's posting
about the files that had to be swapped for Word 6 in an earlier version, I
think 2.073 or something of that nature. Anyway, perhaps I'm wrong on this
and if so I apologise for misleading anyone.
The fact is, though, that the CD's opening screen to Office 97 would not
read well for me at all.
--
Carol Pearson
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At 22:14 03/01/99 -0000, Tristram Llewellyn wrote:
>In regard to whether MS Word 6 uses different script files, the answer is
>no. All three major versions are covered by the Word for Windows Scripts.
>In fact there are some very complicated parts of the scripts that deal with
>the intersection between these different versions particularly in the
>FocusChangedEvent scripts. There is however a special message file for Word
>8. The actual difference in interface terms between Word 6 and Word 95
>(version 7) are very small indeed. The main leap is with Word 97 (version
>8) in terms of interface and the scripts required to access it. During the
>installation of MS Office, in all probability JFW will be using the default
>desktop scripts to read that installation routine.
>
>One thing to bear in mind is that if you have used frames in Word at one
>screen resolution setting. they will not necessarily work at another because
>the references to the pixel locations will be inaccurate. This may mean
>that you cannot read a special setup for your status line etc.
>
>In general I think the reason why HJ suggest 640 by 480 resolution and a
>colour depth of 256 is that they fall neatly into the original VGA standard.
>I have personally found no difficulty with using 600 by 800 at 256 colours
>as well. The VGA standard is important because JFW relies quite heavily on
>the video card for it's information gathering. This route was chosen by HJ
>because it allowed them to use a similar program architecture with both
>regular Windows and Windows NT. Windows NT does not allow any direct access
>to hardware and protects the software running as well, thus clever peeks
>into the operating system are not allowed. All of this means that JFW can
>be very vulnerable to differences in video cards and their drivers in
>particular. This means that getting JFW to work with all video cards
>reliably at high colour depths is likely to be quite difficult because there
>is no common standard about how different cards and driver sets work at high
>colour depths. HJ is not in a position to devise or control this aspect of
>video standards, neither can they do all the accessibility work themselves.
>The best thing one can do is press Microsoft to put their house in order
>with
>things like Encarta and Money 99. If both of these programs are using
>custom colour schemes that require high colour depths then they are directly
>contradicting their own White Paper on accessibility material relating to
>how third party developers should do things. More positively they need to
>improve the access infrastructures such as Active Accessibility which will
>provide information from an alternative sources other than the video card.
>So far, in my humble opinion Active Accessibility has not really provided
>what was promised of it by Microsoft.
>
>Those experiencing what they believe are resolution based difficulties
>should
>drop to the lowest common denominator of settings eg. 640 by 480 with 256
>colours. Try JFW out with the read line and read highlighted text commands,
>cursoring around in an application like Word, and a spreadsheet like Excel.
>Also assess the ability of JFW to find the focus you expect, perhaps even
>try Internet Explorer if you use that. Very high resolutions or very large
>text in MS Word may cause the cursor to not track properly resulting in
>skipped or repeated letters, or even absence of whole lines. In such
>situations it may be necessary to use the config manager in JFW to fiddle
>with the cursor definitions to get things reading again. If JFW seems to
>work then things are OK. You could then try taking just the resolution to
>600 by 800. If think for most people this should work, higher colour depths
>are strictly optional and related to specific behaviour of video cards and
>are not guaranteed to work for anyone. When you are downloading video
>drivers from a website, and you have a choice, go for compatibility rather
>than speed or newest version, unless there is some specific issue you know
>about. If the rest of Windows works with JFW alright then there should
>really be very little reason why it should not work with Word at a specific
>resolution, especially if it is at or below 600 by 800 pixels.
>
>As things stand at the moment, if your video card does not work at 24 bit
>colour with JFW it's just too bad, if it does work it is a fluke, and you
>are lucky. 640 by 480 resolution is what HJ recommend as a baseline setting
>whilst most video drivers are optimised for operation at 600 by 800 at
>least. Also Windows 95 assumes that for sighted people 600 by 800 with 256
>colours is the practical minimum people are working at.
>
>Hope this gives some pointers.
>
>Tris
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>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Carol Pearson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: 02 January 1999 12:53
>Subject: Re: Colors and resolutions
>
>
>>Hi there, Jeff,
>>
>>I have stated in two messages recently that I think this problem may be
>>related to the fact that Word 6 uses different script files than Word 8.
>>
>>I didn't get past the install stage with Office 97. When I started I found
>>I just couldn't read the choices on the CD. I had been able to read these
>>perfectly on my husband's machine at 800 X 600. As I had no sighted help
>>available and wanted to leave myself with a workable version of MS Office,
>>I decided to leave well alone at that stage.
>>
>>
>>--
>>Carol Pearson
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>>
>>
>>At 15:27 01/01/99 -0800, Jeff Senge wrote:
>>>What specifically is not working right with JFW 3.2 and Word 8 at 640 by
>>>480? I have found some work-arounds for some of the problems I have seen
>>>with this combo but need to know what specific problems you are having to
>>>respond appropriately.
>>>
>>>Jeff
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Carol Pearson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>Date: Friday, January 01, 1999 2:44 PM
>>>Subject: Re: Colors and resolutions
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi there,
>>>>
>>>>I'm just writing publicly, although I expressed this in another message
>and
>>>>may have told you also privately, so that everyone is sure.
>>>>
>>>>I wrote in this thread that Word 8 wasn't working for me in 640 X 480.
>>>>Following this, George wrote and said that it worked for him, so I
>thought
>>>>about it. My conclusion is that it may just not be a colours or
>resolution
>>>>issue but may be due to the fact that Word 6 uses slightly different
>slript
>>>>files. I asked for feedback on that. Until we have that matter sorted,
>I
>>>>don't want to be known as shooting off that Word 8 doesn't work in this
>>>>resolution, rather that it hasn't worked for me in trying to install as
>>>>things stand.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Carol Pearson
>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>At 14:11 01/01/99 -0500, P Tusing wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>Hi.
>>>>Thanks first to the excellent individual who wrote me privately re:
>colors
>>>>and resolutions. I wish I could post that message,but invite that person
>to
>>>>do so.The point was so well made.
>>>> As new programs require the higher resolutions. there is a period of
>>>>time where our software must adapt so we can use them. Also, regarding
>>>>resolutions, there have been 2 postings stating that Word 8 does not work
>>>>for them currently at a certain resolution.
>>>> I have an S3Trio video card; Word 8 works for me in 640 by 480, but
>>>>there areproblems with that resolution in other situations.
>>>> Also regarding colors, there has been a posting saying that Quicken
>99
>>>>does not work in 256 colors.What do you do when Quicken 98 sells out and
>>>>you have to use the 99 version?
>>>> I had to find out the hard way that I had to use 640 by 480 to get
>>>>anything out of IE 4.01 and had to experiment with colors. As a new user,
>>>>it took weeks of trial and error, resetting and failing and retrying
>again.
>>>> I would summarize those who might be affected by the resolution and
>>>>color issue with JAWS in to a few groups listed below.
>>>> 1. An unspecified number of users of Word 8 and Quicken 99.
>>>> 2. New users of IE 4.01 who haven't figured it out yet--(Yes, new users
>>>>join this list ever day).
>>>>3. In a small business environment where sighted people also use the
>>>>computer and tend to dislike 640 by 480 resolution.
>>>>4. In the home user environment where sighted family members gripe about
>6
>>>>by 4 in terms of their reading--particularly in games.
>>>>5. Large print users who use JAWS. The resolution 640 by 480 plays havoc
>>>>with large print programs.Eight people have written the list about that
>>>>since November 98.Five others have said same to me-who are not on this
>>>>list.The 6 by 4 influences the magnifying effect.
>>>>6. General market for JAWS + large print... More JAWS users means more
>>>>money for product development..There are speech programs that work easily
>>>>in 800 by 600 resolution (which would solve the above issues).But JAWS
>is
>>>>excellent but "seems to" favor the 640 by 480 resolution..
>>>>
>>>>The exchange of info on helpful viedo cards and any other positive
>>>>solutions would be greatly appreciated.Best wishes for 1999!
>>>>
>>>><<<<
>>>>
>>>>
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