Hello "Jeff,

Why not wait until the product is released before judging it's effectiveness
on Java-related items?

Thanks,
Dennis Brown, DB Tech! 770-465-9621
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Paget" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 7:26 AM
Subject: Re: HJ GeekSpeak #1


> Hi Listers,
>
>  I have quoted a section from the Geek Speak intro below, underneath
>  I have added my comments and questions, I freely admit I'm not a
>  programmer, but I have been a computer technician for more than 20
>  years, I consider I have enough experience to make a valid comment.
>  Insert follows.
>
>
> On Wed, 15 Dec 1999, Development Manager wrote:
> > HJ GeekSpeak
> > December 15, 1999
>
> > Programs written with Java 1.2 display no actual text on the screen.
All
> > text, controls and other information displayed in these programs are
> > rendered as a graphic. The traditional JAWS cursor cannot be used with
these
> > applications.  To provide the information to JFW users, we have
introduced a
> > new virtual cursor.  The user can employ this Virtual Java Cursor to
roam
> > around the application window but will hear the information in a
logical,
> > rather than spatial manner.  The Virtual Java Cursor gives access to all
> > elements in a Java program and the actual mouse cursor, drawn on the
screen,
> > will move to the location being read by the Virtual Java Cursor.
> >
> > Henter-Joyce is committed to providing increased accessibility to new
> > technologies as they emerge.  The support for the Java Accessibility
Bridge
> > is yet another in the series of exciting new products delivered by JAWS
for
> > Windows.
>
>  End of quoted section.
>
>  First a comment on the current Virtual Cursor, my wife's Jaws version
>  is 3.2, so we do not have first hand experience with the current
>  Virtual Cursor, however reading from this list and others it's simply
>  not working as described and advertised.
>
>  Next the Java cursor, you will note from the quoted section that this
>  Java cursor is supposed to read graphic images, this appears to assume
>  each graphic will be "tagged" with a text description, while the
>  standard may call for a text description programmers are notorious
>  for ignoring standards.
>
>  Next point, Java is the current "hot" programming tool, as such it is
>  used extensively in internet applications, Jaws as a program for
>  accessing the net is failing to deliver what the users want, this
>  can be seen from the number of requests from people to visit sites
>  that are difficult to access or are unreadable, the fault is not
>  entirely with Jaws, there are many ways to program net sites, the
>  HTML standard is about a loose as the description of "meat" in a
>  supermarket pie.
>
>  Above all else, JAWS should address the issues which have plagued
>  it's users since the introduction to the Windows 9.x, rather than
>  following the micro-slop ideal of packageing software and letting
>  the users sort out the bugs.
>
>  I note with interest that the introduction of of all of this
>  "wizardry" is slated for version 3.5, now allowing for my lateral
>  method of thinking, you get two "free" upgrades, after paying
>  for them, ( like the extras table in health insurance,) anyone
>  wish to place bets that there will be two upgrades between now
>  and the release of 3.5. Yup, you guessed it, the users will be
>  paying for another "bug fix".
>
>  Now if they can describe the functions and working premise of the
>  Java cursor it must already be in the Alpha testing phase, I
>  suggest all those who are currently turning off their
>  Virtual cursor because it fails to function demand a free
>  upgrade path to the new Java cursor. Assuming it works as advertised.
>
>  Regards Jeff
>
>
>
>
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