Maheshwar Saheb, I second everything you said. I am also an aadivasi from Gumla ( jharkhand) and seen these things on inumerable occasions. It makes me lose my mind like nothing else when somebody ( who is possibly agent of missionaries but pretend to be seculars ) will start voicing opinions on our behalf. They see only bad things about BJP but never ever I repeat never ever will say anything against congress or commie craps. Ofcourse they feel its their devine duty to let this forum know from time to time that how much atrocious Hindus have become and how much docile and victims missionaries are. I have been a memeber of this forum since last 5-6 months i have never seen those pseudo seculars , pseudo intellectuals to utter anything against missionaries.
One should ask why I am defending Hindus, few people even asked me to prove my caste. I feel I need not to prove I am an aadivasi , if somebody asks me to prove my caste I will ask them to prove first they are not aliens from star wars. I feel more with Hindus because at the end of the day good or bad , they didnt ask us to convert. We co-existed peacefully since ages. Maybe you will call it an utopia, but in my village hindu and Sarna still call each other not by names but by a relation like uncle or brother. All this perfect harmmony is getting eroded everyday since those missonaries started their so called "developement". I appeal to every adivasi in this forum , don't trust a HIndu if you don't like but never trust a missioanry. He/she has no affinity with you whatsoever, protect you religion and culture. We worship nature and our preist is a Pahan, remember that. We need to know no pope no Vatican. Regards, Saurabh. On Feb 11, 2008 9:02 PM, subhash_bakshi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ---I fully agree with you, Maheshwar. No one should be allowed to > interfere with the Relgion, tradtions and culture of Advasis.In fact > most of the socalled progressive communities need to learn a lot from > Advasis. Religion mostly is a divine dispensation and we are born in > any religious family as dictated by God. Therefore we should all > honour God's will. > Subhash Bakshi > > In [email protected] <Jharkhand%40yahoogroups.co.in>, Maheshwar > Munda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Respected group members, > > > There was a long discussion / argument on this topic. Good! And > now I also thought to give my FUNDA here. > > > > First of all I should clear that there are different types of > Adivasis / Tribes in India. They basically reside in remote areas / > away from town or cities. Their civilization has grown up in the > forests / hills / jungles since very early days. They have their own > traditions / customs / language and even different religion. May be > some of their traditions / social rules are intruptions in modern type > development, but they are the pure worshipers of nature. > > I don't know much about the religion followed by the tribes of > other parts of India but I know that most of Adivasis of Jharkhand, > Orrisa, West Bengal and Chattishgarh i.e. Munda, Oraon, Ho, Santhal, > Kharia etc. originally follow a religion called SARNA. > > > > Before I proceed I should clear that personally I respect all the > religions, whether it is Hindu or Christians or Shikhism or Muslim or > Budhism. And, I expect that all the others should respect the religion > SARNA. I strongly hate the people who deceive the others in the name > of religion or God. > > > > Unfortunately, Sarna people have NO written "Dharmik Grantha" like > the Bible / the Geeta etc. In SARNA, the definition of GOD almighty is > something like this: "BHAGWAN wo hai jiska na janam leta hai aur naa > hi marta hai. jo nirakar hai, par prakruti ki har rachna mei vyapt > hai." According to Sarna Lord RAMA or KRISHNA or JESUS can not be > Bhagwan, but they will be considered and respected as Ideal person or > "Adarsh Purush". Because, all these were born and died. In Sarna, the > almighty God, a supernatural power which controls the world is known > as SINGHBONGA. They worship Singhbonga through his Creations. Also, > there is no concept of SWARG and NARAK in Sarna. They believe that > after a person dies, he / she remain in house itself as HARAM HORO > (PITRIDEVTA). > > This is a simple consept. > > > > I am a Munda tribe. I have grown up in my village which is around > 80 kms away from Ranchi and 40 kms from Chakradharpur. My village is > situated in the hills and forests of PORAHAT in West Singhbhum > district. Nearest bus stand is 7 kms away. I have grown up in village > itself up to primary schools. But I am an IIT Graduate Mechanical > Engineer. And I know the problems and the cause of problems of > Adivasis. I have also seen how Missionaries have exploited the > Religion SARNA. > > > > One thing that is clear in my mind is that the Christians are very > smart. Smart in the sence that they have successfully used the nice > philosophical words of "Bible" for luring the Adivasis and taken the > advantage of backwardsness / simplicity / innocency of tribes by > presenting themselves as the well wishers of Adivasis. > > > > They say that Sarna Adivasis can not develop unless and until they > convert to Christians. They say that Christianity is the best religion > in world. They also claim that God of Sarna (SINGHBONGA) is same as JESUS. > > > > But I personally disagree when they say that Adivasis can not > develop without converting their Religion. I believe that Development > has nothing to do with religious faith. In Europian contries most of > the people are NASTIKs, and the world knows that they are financially > or technical advanced. I believe that Adivasis can develop while > maintaining their unique culture. And, I also think that NO ONE SHOULD > ATTACK / EXPLOIT THE SARNA. > > > > This is also true that, literacy rate in Christian (converted) > adivasis is higher as compared to SARNA adivasis. Converted adivasis > are financially better than SARNA counterparts. But now the Adivasi > people have realized that they can develop without converting the > religion. That is why now the conversion rate is almost ZERO. > > > > Here I would like to share some of my personal experiences. > > > > If I am not wrong, Pahle (when missionaries entered in tribal > region) ye missionary PRACHARAK / FATHER / BROTHER / SISTER / MOTHER > etc khule SAAND ki tarha gaon gaon, ghar ghar ghum ghum kar, parche > bantkar DHARM PRACHAR karte the, SARNA adiwasiyon ko LAALACH, bahla > fusla kar unhe CONVERT karwa lete the. Khud mere ghar kitne pracharak > aaye!! But now .. this activity has come down .. kyunki kuch aise > father / brother etc ka MURDER / PITAI bhi huyi hai. > > > > They say that they can follow and spread out the religion which > they like, because this is their Fundamental Right. Yaar AAPKA > FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT hai, Constitution ne RIGHT de rakhi hai .. ki "AAP > APNE DHARM KA PRACHAR KAR SAKTE HAIN" .. iska matlab ye to nahin hota > ki kisi ke ghar jakar uske dharm ki burai karo .. aur convert hone ko > kahte firte raho, uksate raho!! > > > > When I was a school student, at that time people tried at least > ten times to CONVERT me. This is my personal experience. > > > > In 1997, during my summer vacation I was spending my HOLIDAYS at > my village. During that period I had to go for watching the Rice Crops > (Garma Dhan) in the nights along with other villagers. Because during > the nights wild animals like PIGS, Elephant come and destroy the > crops. One day, a person from missionary community came to meet my > father. Raat ko wo bhi humare sath hi sone aaya. > > > > Wahan wo apni aukat pe aa gaya. He started eulogizing Christian > religion. "Christian dharm sansar ka sabse achcha dharm hai. Babu, > kabhi Ranchi ke maha girjaghar jakar dekhna, kitna achcha girja hota > hai. Father ki prarthna ko jesus sunte hain .. babut chamatkari hota > hai, rogon (ILLNESS) se mukti milti hai." Etc etc. Aur hum log sunte > rahe chupchap. Bahut achchi baat thi ki wo apne religion ki tareef kar > raha tha. Ok .. jab wo tareef karte karte taq gaya to .. he started > CRITICIZING SARNA religion. Usne khoob burai ki .. ji bhar kar. Ki kya > tum log nadi kinare SAAL ped ke niche POOJA karte ho!! Ped (tree) > Patthar (Stone) ki puja karte ho!! Etc. This was not OK, lekin ye bhi > sun liya. There were 4 other villagers but he was mainly targeting me. > His "PRAVACHAN" was beyond the limits to be tolerated. Mun to kar raha > tha ki usko LATH maarkar usko raton rat ghar ka rasta dikha hun. > Lekin, Adivasiyon ka SARNA dharm itna bhi UNCIVILIZED nahin hai ki > ghar k eek guest se aisa > > salook kiya haye. > > > > Uske baad usne last mei ek sentence kaha jo mujhe andar taq > jhakjor gaya tha aur aaj taq mere deemag mei gunjta hai. Wo mujhe > straight forward ye challenge kar gaya "Babu .. yadi tum aage badna > chahte ho jeevan mei, to CHRISTIAN ban jao, warna kuch nahin kar > pahoge. JAB TAK TUM CHRISTIAN NAHIN BANOGE TUM AADMI NAHIN BAN SAKOGE." > > > > Koi dusra ladka hota to dusre din hi convert ho jata. Lekin maine > wahin, usi raat munn mei thaan liya ki "BETA TUM AISA BOLTE HO, MAI > TUMHE BINA CHRISTIAN BANE HI AAGE BADKE DIKHAHUNGA." Aur sach kahun to > wo raat meri zindagi ka ek TURNING POINT tha. Us raat taq mera koi > irada nahin tha Engineering karne ka. I was interested to go for defence. > > > > Ab .. ye batao yaro .. ki BIBLE mei kahin likha hua hai kya ki > logon ko is tarha .. wo bhi ek bachhe ko bahla fusla kar CHRISTIAN > banao. Ya FUNDAMETAL RIGHT ke kisi ARTICLE mei ye kaha gaya hai!!! > > When I was in MIDDLE SCHOOL, I remember .. school mei ek BROTHER > hua karta tha, wo humhe ENGLISH padaya karta tha. I remember his name > also … brother VINAY BECK. Text book mei ek chapter National Unity / > "Unity in Diversity" pe tha. In that book only four religions were > refered, HINDU/MUSLIM/SIKH/ISAI. Tab wo bolta hai .. hanske .. "AREY > ISME TUM LOGON KA MURGI POOJAWALA DHARM ka naam kidhar hai? Tum SARNA > log kya bekar dharm mante ho!!" Ab ye batao mere ELITE friends, as a > teacher kya wo sahi karta tha?? > > Meri apni mausi ko bhi uski teachers ne bahla fusla kar CONVERT > kara diya, SISTER banwa diya, when she was studying in 8th standard!! > Uske dimag pe Christian Dharma ka bhoot is kadar gusa diya tha ki she > did not listen to her family members. I know.. I have seen her mother > (my NANI) crying for her. Meri nani ki sirf betiyan hain, uske jane ke > baad wo kitna royi. Uske illiterate mother father ko yeh kaha gaya ki > unki beti ko "NAUKRI" mil raha hai. Aaj bhi jab mujhse milti hai to > roti hai. Ab batao dosto, kya BIBLE mei likha hua hai ki kisi ki maa > ko rulakar uski beti ko SISTER bana lo!! > > > > SARNA dharm mei BEEF / FORK nahi khate hain. JETH apni bahu (apne > chhote bhai ki bibi) ko chhuta nahi hai. Iska bhi Christian majak > udate hain. Mujhe kai baar logon ne FORCE kiya ki "Mahesh tumhe BEEF / > FORK khana chahiye, bahut achcha lagta hai, SEHAT badta hai." SARNA > mei pooja karte hain, uske liye kai Christians ne majak udaya. > > Up to my 9th standard I used to attend the invitations in > Christian Marriage Parties. But once I had intentially been given BEEF > telling that this is KASSI (MUTTON). That was purposely done by the > educated christians. Since then I have stopped attending any Christian > parties. I know nothing will happen to my body by eating BEEF, but > what is the need to eat BEEF!! My ancestors were farmers and we know > the role and importance of OX and Cow in our life. > > > > After joining my JOB people have also proposed me to marry 2-3 > Christian GIRL and get Converted. When I rejected their offer, I was > asked, "kya tum bhi religion ki poonch pakadte ke baithe ho? Christian > ladkiyan bahut sundar hoti hain." Yaar ab to Sarna Adivasi mei bhi > well educated, beautiful girls mil jati hain, then what is the need of > conveting religion for a girl." Aap kahte ho .. kuch SARNA wale > educated hone ke baad convert ho jate hain. Arey yaar .. unhe baar bar > bol ke convert karwa hi liya jata jai. > > > > Ye sirf meri kahani nahin hai .. ye bahut se SARNA adiwasiyon ki > kahani hai. Aur ye kahna galat nahin hai ki har SARNA adiwasi ko life > mei kam se kam ek baar to is tarha bahlaya, fuslaya jata hai, convert > hone ko kaha jata hai. Missionaries target those boys and girls, who > are studying in high schools. > > > > > > Kabhi kabhi sochta hun … ki ye Christian missionaries .. sirf > TRIBAL areas mei hi kaam kyun kiye. Kisi HINDU ya MUSLIM ya SIKH logon > ke beech kyun nahin gaye. Sidhi si baat hai .. because unke beech > jakar unke religion ke burai karma, aur apne Christian religion ki > badai karna to bahut muskil kaam hota na!! Shayad JAAN taq gawane ki > naubat aa jati. > > > > Most of the TRIBALS are uneducated, illiterate. jisne jo kaha maan > liye.. logon ne kaha tumhara dharm BAKWAS hai, Christian dharm sabse > achcha hai .. MAAN liye. Kisi ne khana khila diya .. humne uska dharma > apna liya. Ek HUMAN psychology hi hai ki kisi ne aapko kuchh de diya, > to hum uski AHSANMAND ho jate hain, uski bat ko NAA nahin karte hain. > > > > Chalo maan lete hain .. ki ye missionaries sirf ADIWASIYON ka > udhar karne, develop karne aaye the, religion ka prachar karne nahin… > to kyun nahin wo AFRICA/south AMERICA mei jate… wahan bhi to log > underdeveloped hain!! kyunki wahan to bhai CONVERTION complete hai… > wahan jakar log kya karenge! Mother Teresa had done excellent job for > welfare of society. Lekin sawal hai … wo INDIA hi kyun aayi? Chaliye > maan liya DEVELOPMENT karne. Par wo AFRICA/South America kyun nahin > gayi … wahan bhi to log UNDERDEVELOPED hain. Par kyun jati .. WAHAN TO > CONVERTION COMPLETE HO CHUKA THA. > > > > Hum adiwasi logon ka area hi aisa hai ki humhe EXPOSURE nahin > milta hai, develop kya karenge. Aur sach kahun to iske liye SARNA > dharma jimmedar nahin hai. > > > > Wo kahte hain … ki SARNA wale BHAGWAN / SIGHBONGA ke naam par > MURGA/BAKRA ki bali chadate hain. Bahut kharchila hai. Bhai sahab, > pooja karke fenkte to nahin hai, kha hi jate hain na. Bhai sahib, ye > SARNA wale Church/Temple/mosque banane mei rupya to nahin kharch karte > hain. Phir .. jahan SARNA hota hai ..wahan koi TREE katte bhi nahin, > and hence they are preserving the ENVIRONMENT. Can u give them ISO > 14001 certification for protecting environment? > > > > I don't deny that missionaries have done great job for community > development. The standard/quality of education in missionary > school/college is much better than Govt school/college. > > > > I also agree that following a religion is ones OWN will. But … I > OBJECT my friends ki aap kisi ki majboori, innocency ka fayeda utha > kar... kisi ko bahla fusla kar CONVERT kara lijiye. > > > > If you see... ORAON community, you will find CONVERTION is more > than 60%. You will also find that Oraon are in better conditions than > MUNDAS, HO, SANTHAL, Kharia. Reasion is that Oraons live near to > town/cities like ranchi. If you see MUNDA and SANTHAL, convertion is > low .. may be 20%. And they are not as much developed as ORAONs, > because munda/santhal live in REMOTE villages. Adivasis are lagging > behind because that they live in remote villages. > > > > My ultimate request to Missionary Communities is that Please don't > attack or exploit the original Religion or faith of Adivasis. Let the > Adivasis develope with their own religion, let them preserve their > good traditions. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely Yours > > M.Maheshwar > > > > >
