1. The very fundamental reason for consideration of preferential treatment of
the suppressed classes among Hindu-s was the untouchability and denial of
opportunities for the so called Scheduled Classes and Scheduled tribes in the
Hindu Community for milleanea, and the need to bring them up socially and
economically with the main stream.
2. The Evangelical Missionaries as well as Muslims, while in their missions
to convert the Hindu-s to their faiths, have invariably been advancing the
argument that once you convert to either Christianity or Islam, there would be
no discrimination between anybody adopting the faith and all are treated as
equals. The question of Caste system in Christians or Muslims is an aberration
argued now for the sake of enjoying the "free lunch" from the Govt. coffers and
occupy iortant positions without merit.
3. READ THE INTERVIEW WITH FATHER JOHNSON BELOW:
Father Johnson after his award by the Government of India for his exemplary
work in India in enlightening the people in the path of the ONLY God. Father
Johnson returned to the USA after 10 years of service, to uplift the people of
India in the name of God. The interview was taken in July 2005 by a journalist
in Houston, USA
........How do you carry out conversion attempts?
You see the local people are so simple and naïve that they do not have any
clue as what out motive or means are. We target mostly the poor, illiterate,
tribal people because they are the easiest to convert. We do that by various
means we establish schools, hospitals that overtly or subtly promote our
faith, we allure them with money or goods to the needy when they convert, we
stage miracle cures, we use our influence on the media, we use our experts in
propaganda, we promote the influential people and so on. We use the money sent
to us by unsuspecting religious and faithful Christians from all over the
world. We have numerous NGO and AID organizations to funnel the money into the
country. There are a great number of missionaries of various denominations who
are working there, all literally competing for the most number of converts. The
Southern Baptists alone are a group that has nearly 100,000 career missionaries
in North India, all working to spread our good word.
We convince the natives by our appearances and even use their own culture.
A native converted person will continue to use his Hindu name so as not to
alienate himself. Some of the numerous Catholic priests in Southern India dress
like sannyasis (monks), and call their organizations ashramas (hermitage).
This is to make Christianity more similar to the Vedic traditions. Bharat
Natyam, the classical dance of India, is also taught in the Christian schools,
but with Christian symbols and meanings replacing the Vedic. This is all in the
attempt to actively sway Hindus over to Christianity. The Evangelical Church of
India (ECI), established in 1954, targets the slums, scheduled castes and
scheduled tribes, in cities and villages. Its logo depicts a cross struck deep
in a lotus, the seat of Hindu divinity.
Is the so called caste system in India an advantage?
The Caste-ism in India is a boon to us. Though Varna or caste was once an
essential part of the culture, based on occupation and vocational skills, which
kept the civilization going for over 5000 years, caste-ism is a degenerated
socio-political system now that has been declared illegal. However it is one
big weapon against Hinduism. We have learnt from the colonial British that it
is very easy to divide the population on the basis of caste and religion based
politics and we use it to our own interest to the maximum. We join the
anti-Hindu forces and help to keep the stigma of caste-ism alive for our own
benefit. We target the untouchables (the unprivileged people, that has so
marvelously crafted to be a result of the Hindu religion and not the social
system) and convert them in the lure of liberating them. However I must
confess that we maintain their untouchability by not allowing them to mix
with the general Christians, maintaining separate entry to churches
and even giving them separate churches and cemeteries.
We also use opportunities that God gives us. During natural disasters like
floods, earthquakes and the recent Tsunami, taking advantage of the need, we
were able to convert successfully entire low caste villages in Tamil Nadu to
Christianity with the lure of money and aid.
How successful are you in your conversion attempts.
Oh we are doing a good job. The Northeast Indian states like Assam, Nagaland,
and Manipur, have witnessed a surge of nearly 200% in their Christian
population in the past 25 years. Their grasp is so strong now that practicing
Hinduism is forbidden in some areas. Hindus can no longer do worship or puja
in the open because of our influence. In another northeast state, Tripura,
where there were no Christians at the time of Indias independence, 55 years
ago, there are now over 120,000 today. The figures are even more striking in
Arunachal Pradesh, where there were only 1710 Christians in 1961, but over 1
million today, along with over 780 churches. In the southern state of Andhra
Pradesh, churches are coming-up every day in far flung villages and there is an
attempt to set-up one near Tirupati, the world famous Hindu temple. Many of the
North-East separatist movements, such as the Mizo or the Bodos, are not only
Christian dominated, but also sometimes function with the
covert backing of the missionaries. Christian Nagaland terrorists have been
killing non-Christians for decades on end. More than 20,000 people have lost
their lives to insurgency in Assam and Manipur in the past two decades. We
understand that there are some social problems that crept up the northeast
states are the highest in India in terms of drugs and AIDS related problem
but we accept that as casualties of war that should not deter us from our
goal..........
http://indiasecular .wordpress. com
By: Bandyopadhyay Arindam
10/2/2007
WILLIAM KISKU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Very fair indeed.
Just a clarification on variation of the theme. Any
expert on this aspect of constitution can shed some
light, please.
If a scheduled tribe MAN marries a NONSCHEDULED TRIBE
WOMAN, are the offsprings still eligible and can they
continue to enjoy the benefits of reservation ???
What happens if vice versa happens... ie, a SCHEDULED
TRIBE WOMAN MARRIES A NONSCHEDULED TRIBE MAN.??
William
--- Roopa Sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A fair judgement.
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> Subject: [ =>> Jharkhand <<= ] HC dismisses plea
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> Sangram Besra had filed a PIL, followed by another
> writ by Baliram Marandi, in which they sought to
> debar Tribals converted to Christianity and other
> religions from availing the reservation and other
> benefits that are extended to all members of
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> Karpara Hansda contended that just as Scheduled
> Castes or Dalit Christians are denied reservations
> and other benefits and protections on conversion
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> tribals who convert to Christianity should be denied
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> conversion the converted tribals no longer adhere to
> many of their former traditions and culture and the
> difference is "in black and white", and since there
> is this loss or negation of culture and tradition
> they should no longer be regarded as Scheduled
> Tribes and hence they should not be given those
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> Murmu, a traditional faith person, opposing the
> contentions and prayers of the petitioners that
> converted Tribals are no longer members of Scheduled
> Tribes and hence no longer entitled to protections
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> Organisation Convention 107 and a certain World Bank
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> and after referring to the 2004 Supreme Court
> judgement in State of Kerela verses Chandramohanan
> which lays down, "... as a broad proposition of law
> it cannot be accepted that merely by change of
> religion a person ceases to be a member of the
> Scheduled Tribe,...", rejected the contentions and
> prayers of the petitioners and dismissed the writs.
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