>>SC/ST can aspire and achieve the professional levels provided they are given >>extra coaching and supports without branding them SC/ST. The categorisations >>have placed them at a disadvantage as even the intelligent among them are >>excluded due to this "branding". I still hold my view that the reservations should be totally abolished even in admission, application forms no Caste should be entered, and the deserving should be given additional coaching and financial support to the extent needed. Those enjoying "free lunch" throughout their career, would not bother to exert themselves, be it education or jobs. >> I still hold my views expressed earlier. In the placement process, or in recruitments, if an applicant is mentioned as SC/ST, the multi-nationals and other businesses selecting the candidates, weed these applicants at the preliminaries itself. If no mention is made, there are chances that they get selected by their merit. See what has happened in this specific case where at AIIMS, he got less marks and branded SC and would be viewed so throughout which would not have happened had he applied as a general candidate. Are SC/ST-s benefitted really by such categorisation in higher education? I sincerely feel no, but for the monetary benefits they enjoy from Govt., which could nevertheless be given without branding them, but deserving as poor. SC/ST, Come out of your inhibitions and contest as an unbranded candidate.
--- On Tue, 7/29/08, adi_rkmv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: adi_rkmv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [ =>> Jharkhand <<= ] Re: [Debrahmanise the Education system] To: [email protected] Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 10:17 PM Sirs, I myself belonging to SC/ST community,felt the system prevailing in the country.My elder brother,secured 4th rank in West Bengal Class 10th matriculation, State ranked in Jharkhand with 98%in CBSE Class 12th result,was selected in CBSE Medical with 2nd all India ranking without reservation, 5th in BHU witout reservation, selected in IIT 45th rank without reservation. But he did a mistake in filling the form for AIIMS entrance. He mentioned SC there. He was too confidant that he would be scoring above 80% and will get all India ranking but alas,he saw his rank 1st among the SC, securing 56% marks. This is how we are seen and projected in the country. My brother took admission in AIIMS but he says only two months after how he experienced casteism there.Not only students but teachers also demeaned them. This is an earnest request,please dont harass us in the name of reservation. Every one has the potential to prove himself. Then why this type of things happening. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.co.in, S kumar <kumar_8134@ ...> wrote: > > >>>he says at the end of the message that if the status of the candidate is known to be reserved, he would be eliminated at the preliminary stage itself...! it is clear from this that the writer feels anyone from SC or ST categories should not aspire for any professional or > higher education - if they do, the system will see to it that they are eliminated at the preliminary stage.>>> > > The Multinationals and Corporates who participte in the placement process in IIM-s or IIT-s, could easily identify those admitted without merits under reservation from the CV-s considered, and screen them out at preliminaries. You like it or not, this is a fact. > > SC/ST can aspire and achieve the professional levels provided they are given extra coaching and supports without branding them SC/ST. The categorisations have placed them at a disadvantage as even the intelligent among them are excluded due to this "branding". > > I still hold my view that the reservations should be totally abolished even in admission, application forms no Caste should be entered, and the deserving should be given additional coaching and financial support to the extent needed. Those enjoying "free lunch" throughout their career, would not bother to exert themselves, be it education of jobs. > > > > --- On Fri, 7/18/08, Dr. Dhuni Soren <dhuni.soren@ ...> wrote: > > From: Dr. Dhuni Soren <dhuni.soren@ ...> > Subject: [ =>> Jharkhand <<= ] Re: [Fwd: Debrahmanise the Education system] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.co.in > Date: Friday, July 18, 2008, 3:08 PM > > > > > > > Very well written and expresses the points of views of most members > of the group.But it is sad that some of our members are not heeding > them and appears to have some sort of ideological and religoius > agendas and keep on harping the same tunes irrespective of the > feelings and sentiments of other fellow members. They had enough time > to go on and I urge them to move on to other important and pressing > issues of the country and Jharkhand region. > Dhuni Soren > > -- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.co.in, Cynthia Stephen <cynstepin@ ..> > wrote: > > > > Friends: > > > > While I do read most of the posts in your group, I find that some > members appear to be severely opinionated and biased and even use > offensive language in the discourse. This is why I keep my comments > to the minimum. > > > > The reason Why I am posting this is to correct some common > misconceptions beihg repeated ad nauseam by a certain section of > Indian society who believe that they alone are the bearers of 'merit' > by virtue of higher marks in exams due to preivileges of caste, class > and urban location, having access to educated and comfortable > employed parents, a regular income, and good education in standard > english medium schools in urban locations. Many of the so-called > reservation candidates still come from rural, mother-tongue- medium, > and are first generation or at most second generation educated, while > the so-called meritorius feel so insecure by the rise of even these > groups into the hallowed portals of colleges, medical and engineering! > > > > The most deep-rooted casteism of the writer is evident in the fact > that while he pours scorn on the Dalit surgeon because of the > presumption that the surgeon passed wih minimum pass marks, > he says at the end of the message that if the status of the candidate > is known to be reserved, he would be eliminated at the preliminary > stage itself...! it is clear from this that the writer feels anyone > from SC or ST categories should not aspire for any professional or > higher education - if they do, the system will see to it that they > are eliminated at the preliminary stage. > > > > Finally, the writer appears totally unaware of the fact that > while those outside the category do not hesitate to claim the > beneifits of reservations using false certificates, there are > thousands of backlog vacancies in education and employment in these > categores too, for precisely the reason the writer lets slip - the > system, manned by those steeped in exclusionary beliefs, see to it > that even legitimately qualified and eligible candidates enjoying > reservations are kept out of their just dues. This is the reason for > the continuing disparities in the economic and social situation of > these categories. If they system had implemented the reservations > fully and fairly the need for them would have been absent by now. > Ambedkar did say that reservations should be for a short while, but > he did not imagine that the system would see to it that very few got > access to the beneifits! > > > > I earnestly request the moderators to moderate parts of texts As > the audio in TV is masked with a bleep - with an xxxxxx > to prevent the most offensive parts of a message from being > transmitted. Else they too will be guilty of perpetuating prejudice > and thereby contributing to it. Freedom of speech is important, but > we also have the responsibility of not allowing discourses to > deteriorate below a level of minimum decency as this is a public > forum. > > > > Cynthia Stephen > > Independent Researcher and writer > > Bangalore, India > > >
