Dear Ambarish-ji Let us first give some consideration to the brutal killing of a 80 year old swami venerated by the tribals of Khandamal. I think most Indians share that sentiment.
I see that you seem to have absolutely no sympathy for the 5 so gruesomely killed. The assailants came with automatics guns and indiscriminately sprayed the bullets and that too during Janmasthami festival. Hindus do not have worldwide media support, but that is fine since our folks ie. more and more Indians are waking up to Christian hatred. Cynthia Your comments are very insightful. Do you think most Indians are stupid to believe anyone who writes with a Hindu tilt is a "fascist". Wake up times are changing.. Missionary deception, hatred and aggression are fast being exposed. ""have no regard for S Gurumurthy as political analyst. He is, in fact, a functionary of the Hindu Jagruti Munch and always pedals the facist Saffron line, many times devoid of facts or logic."" On 8/28/08, ambarish rai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear Venkat > It is reminding Narendra Modi's statement with same logic, was given by him > after unfortunate Godhara incident.."massacre of Muslims is the reaction of > Godhara"..and after that whole state machinery was stood behind the forces > of riots.Thousands of muslims were killed in the massacres. In orissa, also > a colition government is running the state where BJP is a important > partner..every were they are acting in their own manner i.e. fascist manner. > I do condemn the murder of Swami laxmananda Saraswati but state is duty > bound to look after the issue and do the necessary action according to law. > Who are you (VHP)? and by which authority you have burnt the "Anath Ashram' > and killed a innocent lady serving to the society. I think it is the > personal wish of a person can join any religion in a democratic country. > Actually, VHP like organization doesn't believe in rule of law. They are > putting only the faith and belief of majority over the law and pressuring > others to follow their verdict. Which is decided and dictated by them. > Regards, > Ambarish Rai > President, Lok Sangharsh Morcha > > --- On Wed, 8/27/08, sri venkat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From: sri venkat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Re: Re: secularistic approach > To: [email protected] > Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 4:14 PM > >>How can a mobilized mob do attack on 'Anath ashram' running by > cristians without >having a communal hatred for the followers of other > religion. > > Ambarish > Here is the answer for your query from a mainstream newspaper article. > First you need to find out why the violence started. Very surprisingly > you have conveniently omitted the reason. Second NDTV poll showed that > in Orissa violence 91% believed coversions are pitting Hindus against > Christians. Now don't tell me 91% of the respondents were VHP!! > Anyway lets get to the reason why the the violence started.. > > Why communal fire spread across Orissa > Soumyajit Pattnaik, Hindustan Times > Bhubaneswar, August 26, 2008, First Published: 23:31 IST(26/8/2008) > http://www.hindustantimes.com > > The manner in which Swami Laxmanananda Saraswati was killed has > contributed more to keep the communal pot boiling in Orissa. > > The killing of an unarmed 80-year-old sadhu by a posse of heavily > armed assailants has evoked strong reactions even from ordinary > citizens. > > There was discontentment among the people over the state government's > failure to provide security to the religious leader who had already > received a threat. > > The VHP stepped in to exploit the sympathy for the swami to the hilt. > > Subash Chavan, national co-convenor of the Bajrang Dal told HT: "The > manner in which the swami was killed has sparked serious > discontentment among the people. They spontaneously supported our call > for Orissa bandh because they have realised how an 80-year-old > religious person was killed in such a brutal manner." > > The swami had received a threat letter barely 24 hours before his > murder and this had been brought to the notice of the police. But the > somnolent Kandhamal police did nothing to step up security and allowed > the miscreants to have a free run in the Jaleshpata Ashram on Saturday > night. > > A senior politician from Kandhamal district told HT: "The anger > against the police is manifest in the mob attacks especially against > police stations in Kandhamal district. Several police outposts have > been torched and vehicles damaged as the protesters think the police > failed to protect the swami." > > The Swami was spearheading the re-conversion movement in Orissa to > bring back converted Christians into the Hindu fold. > > He confronted missionaries and church leaders in the process. He also > led movements against cow slaughter and ran Vanavasi Kalyan Ashrams to > educate tribal children. And when the VHP blamed the Christians for > his death and whipped up communal passions, the administration failed > completely to protect the community. > > http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/StoryPage.aspx?id=10f82f11-3511-469d-95fd-f731ac211ac7&ParentID=1843eeab-5d9d-49d3-bd83-fad0aaa721f5&MatchID1=4741&TeamID1=8&TeamID2=6&MatchType1=2&SeriesID1=1195&PrimaryID=4741&Headline=Why+communal+fire+spread+across+Orissa > > > > On 8/27/08, ambarish rai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Dear Friends >> In Orissa VHP has exposed once again. How can a mobilized mob do attack on >> 'Anath ashram' running by cristians without having a communal > hatred for the >> followers of other religion. VHP is carrying such politics of Hindutva >> consisting the voilence and hatred for others, who don't believe in > Hindu >> dharma whether they belong to cristian or Muslims. You can't save > hinduism >> in this manner. >> secularism is not Sarva Dharm Sambhav, in its classical meaning, it is >> "State without religion" a modern concept to unite different > people having >> belief in different religion. VHP has no belief in federalism and > diversity >> of country..unfortunate for democracy and social justice. >> I responded few days ego about the double face of VHP. Getting sympathi of >> community in remote through service delivery and then using it for their >> political motive-- make India a Hindu rastra where the people of other >> religion would be te second citizen. >> Where we are going? while we have more challenges in our way making a >> egalitarian indian society and modern country free from exploitation. Why > we >> are making sapace for dirty and inhuman politics and organizations? >> regards, >> Ambarish Rai >> Lok Sangharsh Morcha >> >> --- On Wed, 8/27/08, sri venkat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> From: sri venkat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: Re: Re: secularistic approach >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 8:12 AM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> How long we have to put up with Mishra-ji's leftist rants and twisted >> perceptions, >> >> First secularism is a western product which was meant to curb the >> interference of religion in the public sphere. This was because there >> was a lot of intolerance amongst various religions. >> >> In India Hinduism is pluralistic, we accomodate all beliefs, in fact >> our identity is primarily our jati and not our religion. >> >> In Kerala for example it was the Hindu king who made it possible for >> Christians, Muslims, Jews to be part of society and contribute to the >> economy. Hinduism has always been inclusive, what you believe hardly >> matters to us. >> >> So we have had a secularistic approach since ancient times. And here >> we have Mishraji- teaching us about secularism!! ! >> >> Further, he mentions we can only prosper if we adhere to >> secularism.. .. Another joke. India was the richest, and had a peaceful >> and harmonious society again since ancient times. (Of course Mishra's >> Romilla Thapar brand marxist history will teach you something else). >> >> And finally at the highest level, nobody practises secularism but >> pseudo secularism. >> IT is all vote banks and who makes the loudest noise that gets the >> most incentives. >> Eg see this latest article on >> >> secular admirers of SIMI >> http://www.newindpr ess.com/NewsItem s.asp?ID= IEM2008082100381 >> 7&Title=Main+ Article&rLink= 0 >> >> Afew publicly known facts expose the state of the Indian debate on- > Islamist >> terror. The Ahmedabad serial blasts of July 26 killed over 50 people and >> injured over 200. The serial blasts in Bangalore, a day before, did not >> yield the same rich harvest of blood. After the blasts, day after day, the >> Gujarat police kept uncovering and defusing dozens of live bombs in Surat >> that fortunately did not explode. >> >> Even as the recovery of such bombs was being telecast live on all > channels, >> on August 5, a court in Delhi annulled the ban on the Students Islamic >> Movement of India (SIMI), faulting the UPA government for providing > "no >> fresh evidence" to continue the ban. >> >> How did the "seculars" react to the court lifting the ban on > SIMI? Mulayam >> Singh and Lalu Yadav said that the ban was wrong in the first place! >> Congress party spokesperson Shakeel Ahmed said the order was "no > setback." >> He went one step further and said, "Wherever terrorist attacks have > taken >> place in the recent past — Rajasthan, Maharashtra, Karnataka, Gujarat > — it >> is the state governments that are investigating the matter. It is their >> responsibility to submit the evidence against SIMI to the Central >> Government," almost implying that, as the state governments had not > provided >> any, no evidence existed against SIMI. Other secular parties, the > "seculars" >> in the NDA included, were careful not to fault the government for allowing >> SIMI to escape the charge of terror. >> >> Stunned by the court's view that "fresh evidence" of terror > was necessary to >> keep the ban on, the state rushed to the Supreme Court and got the ban >> continued. >> >> It was against the background of such prevarication on SIMI that the > Gujarat >> police announced on August 16 that it had arrested 10 top SIMI officials > and >> activists who had masterminded the Gujarat blasts; and also the blasts in >> Rajasthan and elsewhere. It also came out with an irrefutable story of how >> the terrorists conspired, how many of them and when and where, with >> identities, dates, sequences and locations. >> >> When the secularists were handing out negative certificate of good conduct >> to SIMI, thanks to the court order, a study by the Institute of Conflict >> Management headed by KPS Gill, the terror of the Punjab terrorists, had >> already catalogued over 100 incidents from 2000 to July this year, that >> characterised SIMI as a terror outfit. Its cadre had been charged as >> motivators and perpetrators in major attacks from 2002 to 2008. >> >> State governments, including Congress and communist governments and the > UPA >> government at the Centre, had told courts and the Parliament at different >> times that SIMI was an anti-national, terrorist organisation; that it was >> linked to Lashker-e-Toiba and other Islamist terror outfits; that huge >> quantities of arms and ammunition including RDX were seized from their >> hideouts and cadres. >> >> In February 2007, holding that the SIMI was secessionist, the Supreme > Court >> said that it had not stopped its activities when its counsel pleaded that, >> after 2003, there was no evidence to link it to anti-national activities. >> Moreover, it is the secular Maharastra government's police that > alleged in a >> chargesheet that SIMI was linked to Pakistan! >> >> And now a brief note on SIMI. It was founded in 1977 by Mohammad > Ahmadullah >> Siddiqi, Professor of Journalism and Public Relations at Western Illinois >> University Macomb, Illinois, but originally from Lucknow! >> >> To make "the Holy Koran the governing text of human life, propagation > of >> Islam, and jihad in the cause of Islam" were its founding goals. >> >> Javed Anand, a secular icon, has this to say about SIMI: "True to its >> ideological mooring, in the '80s, SIMI produced eyecatching stickers >> proclaiming "Secularism, no; Democracy, no; Nationalism, no; > Polytheism, no; >> Only Islam." But no one seemed unduly perturbed by this dangerous > drift of a >> section of Indian Muslim youth spreading wings under the loving care of > its >> patron, JeI (Jamait-e-Islami Hind). It was only in the late '90s that > the >> JeI officially snapped the umbilical cord that organically linked it to >> SIMI." But Javed Anand wrote this not in the 1980s, not in the 1990s, > not >> even till August 15, 2008, but only on August 16, after SIMI was seen as > the >> culprit in the Gujarat blasts. >> >> How did SIMI grow to these menacing proportions? The plain answer is that > it >> was receiving open and clandestine political patronage from the seculars. >> The NDA government first banned SIMI in September 2001 and extended the > ban >> in 2003,which continued till September 2005. The UPA government, which > came >> to power in 2004, did not extend the ban when it expired in September > 2005, >> helping to revive a disintegrating SIMI. This, according to Wikipedia, was >> the state of SIMI after the second ban: "It was unable to function in > any >> manner because all its members were demoralised or had crossed the age of > 30 >> years which automatically disentitled them to continue as a member of SIMI >> ... and due to lack of offices and as all its accounts were frozen, some > of >> the erstwhile members also had to fight criminal cases foisted against > them >> by the state." >> >> But why did the UPA not continue the ban? Because Sonia Gandhi and her > party >> opposed the first ban on SIMI in 2001. They were not only admirers of > SIMI, >> but also its advocates – yes, really, advocates as Salman Khurshid, >> president of the Uttar Pradesh Congress committee, was the counsel > defending >> SIMI in the high court and in the Supreme Court against the ban. >> >> See how these secular admirers of SIMI defended a terror outfit that was >> anti-secular, anti-democracy, anti-India according to Javed Anand, when > the >> NDA government first outlawed it in 2001. While speaking against the >> introduction of POTA in the special Parliament session in 2002 Sonia >> censured the government for banning the SIMI, which was not involved in >> terrorist activities! >> >> Sirprakash Jaiswal, UPCC president in 2001, said the Vishwa Hindu Parishad >> was a greater threat to the nation than SIMI." >> >> The government of the same party had to re-impose ban in 2006 after its > own >> Maharashtra government found SIMI involved in the Mumbai train blasts in >> 2006. Later, the very same Jaiswal, as junior minister for home affairs in >> this government told the Rajya Sabha on April 23, 2007 and the Lok Sabha >> earlier, that SIMI was linked to LeT and was anti-national and that huge >> caches of arms and ammunition were seized from its cadre! But this was > after >> SIMI had grown to gigantic proportions and struck at India some 10 times >> between 2004 and 2008 before it struck again in Gujarat on August 26. Even >> now, Sonia has not uttered one word against SIMI. Does it mean that she >> admires it still? Or she is so saintly that, like one of the three noble >> monkeys of Mahatma Gandhi, she sees no evil whether it is SIMI or LTTE or >> Nalini or Afzal — the RSS and its allies being the only exceptions! >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] net >> >> About the author: S Gurumurthy is a well-known commentator on political > and >> economic issues. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------------ > > Replying to this email will send an e-mail to 5000+ members of Jharkhand > Forum. > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > About Jharkhand Forum @ http://www.jharkhand.org.in/about-jharkhand-forum > > Jharkhand Forum's Posting Norms http://jharkhand.org.in/posting_norms.htm > > Add your Name in JF's Members List - http://www.jharkhand.org.in/directory > > Volunteer for Jharkhand, find more @ http://www.jharkhand.org.in/volunteer > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ =>> Jharkhand Forum's Daily Digest <<= ] > > Jharkhand Forum's memberships have been growing up every day so the no. of > messages. 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