Mousa, we did that before and nothing occurs. We don't want to solve the problem by management theories. Every idea suggested was faced with negative attitudes, what Faisal and Ayed said was true. I hope before setting in paris cofee and everybody participate in the theory he knows, to solve it here as there are 84 audience we need suggestions for improving the LUG, not to prove ourselves for new comers Ala' A. Halasa
----- Original Message ---- From: Mousa Nassar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 9:18:45 PM Subject: [JoLUG-General] Re: Where did we go wrong? Dear All I feel so glade that I can contribute to the community back something in return for what they given me in the past I remember the knowledge that I gained from our meetings in ITU in the past, we have something great I agree but we must do more for the community, not just give another lecture or gain another Linux user and thats it, the lecture will be forgotten in a while and the user interest will changed with time. We must introduce Linux properly, with all what LINUX and open source word means, not just the technical side of it, just if we can implement the sharing idea and take and give policy or habit in the new comers the LINUX world will be better and our community will be stronger. If the lecturing thing not working with us I am inviting all the JoLUG member to the next meeting to discuss or to drew the LUG path and plans, please guys if anybody cares a little bit about the LUG come to the next social meeting and give us any idea or thought that can help JoLUG to grow "I believe that we can". Al-Faisal El-Dajani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Do we have a good thing going now? For the current established user base, we are great, we rock. For new comers? well we are somewhat good, we could do better, but they are not participating in return so the fault is 50-50. For people who didn't even hear of linux or just starting out? we are a complete train wreck!! I understand what halasa wrote, when you have more than 80 people, it's really difficult to do something that would interest them all, not to mention the huge logistical problem of coordinating such an event. Different people have different approaches. But the thing is, the current subscribers are not participating in ANY activity we do. Zaid Amireh said he is happy with the mailing list, good for him. Whenever there is a thread that he can participates in he does, that's his style. Whenever we have a public event you see Ammar Ibrahim volunteering. Whenever there are pretty advanced questions you'll see Yaman and Khamis coming to the rescue. But the thing is, beyond the usual 20, we have ZERO activity. They are, in fact, zombie processes. What Ayed said is also true, if you read our threads you won't find any "how do i find a file by its name" questions, or what media player plays wma files. It's all somewhat advanced, and development centric. Of course we can't ask people to dumb down their question (and thank god for having such a qualified user base in the first place), but some new comers might shy away from us because of us unconsciously setting the bar a bit high. Of course, for this there is no solution, we can't simply start asking novice questions, but we simply try to convey an atmosphere of tolerance of what some might deem as "lesser" questions. Some might argue that's their problem, well... let's be the grown ups here. Anyway, the original motive for this thread was not how our lug is interacting with the community. It was about the effort being extended every two weeks by mousa nassar, and being ignored time and time again. It's about having a fully equipped lab and not utilizing it. I understand that we can't have everybody show up for every lecture (and they shouldn't), but the general mood towards those lectures is passive and non-caring. Either use the lab, or just set the guy free to enjoy his weekend. Going to work on a friday from 5-9 isn't exactly a thrill ride. If anybody requests any future lectures, we could arrange them on a case by case basis with him, if the labs are still free for our usage. This permanent schedule thing isn't working for us. -- Al-Faisal El-Dajani Phone: +962-7-77 799 781 P.O Box: 140056 11814 Amman, Jordan ITC';"> Mousa Y. Nassar Mobile: +962 7 999 28 666 No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545367 --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Jolug" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Jolug?hl=en-GB -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
