it seems to hear sheen you have to go to this page and then click on message "law of love"... ...no approval of any other message on this page is implied... i'm sort of a merton type...i stay at zen centers and mingle with loving people of all stripes...i can't stand ewtn... and they would consider me a lutheran no doubt! http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Shoppe/5604/AudioLessons.html shane