i read the chomsky piece.  as well, seashells sent me some text off list too. 
 i still don't see the world as they describe.  my gut reaction after the 
bombings was that the taliban government needs to go.  i was most moved with 
bush's speech the other night, particularly his line....we condemn the 
taliban regime.  i've never condemned anyone in my life.  but i'm comfortable 
with condemning the taliban. 

i do not believe the people of afghanistan, or the hungry people of pakistan 
are the aim of our government's quest for justice.  i don't even believe that 
justice is the underlying motivator of our government right now.  to me, 
there will never be justice for the attacks we suffered and i believe our 
government is able to grasp that concept as well.  the only possible positive 
outcome we can hope for after that attack is to see that it does not happen 
again.  ever.  and i'm comfortable with what ever means it takes for us to 
see that through and will support our governments efforts to do that.  

there are dilemna's in life.  no win situations where the best choice we have 
to make is actually the least worst choice available.  to me, this is our 
situation right now.  and chomsky's analysis is to me, naieve.  it places 
again too much credit on a bunch of suicidal maniacs driven by hate.  and it 
does not address our responsibility to protect our country and our citizens.  
the usa is to be afraid of the likes of the taliban and bin Ladan?  come on.  
that is an impossible paradigm to live with.  it goes against everything this 
country was built upon and it defiles the lives spent fighting for our 
freedom.  and it's gross.

pacifism falls short under the duress of self defense.  as does history.  
self defense is primal and clear and present.   to compare the usa today to 
the usa of 1812 is stretching to prove a wishful point.  as well, to think 
that video and cassett footage of bin Ladan will inspire and flourish 
terrorism, even if he is killed, and continue the sufferings of the usa, is 
to me...totally naieve.  not only is the usa to be afraid of bin Ladan, but 
his legacy as well?  bullshit.

these terrorists must and will be brought down, dis-assembled, killed, and 
made a non threat to the united states.  to me, that is the only acceptable 
solution to this current situation and it is justified at all costs already 
by the 6000 lives crushed to dust for no fault of their own at all.  american 
lives are being lost...right now.  it is an all or nothing issue.    

in fact, chomsky's thinking is poisonous to me.  how the taliban came to be 
does not matter right now.  how bin Ladan came to power does not matter, in 
our current quest of securing our cities.  once that is done, then we can 
look at our history and not make the same mistakes again.  but i'll be damned 
before i live in fear of the likes of bin Ladan or yield to his brand of 
threat.  nor will i accept the youthful hearts of pacifism as my inspiration 
while my very own youth..my children's lives... are in danger.  and i'm most 
grateful to men and women of all ages like vince's son who are willing to 
live with risk in harms way for our protection.  to me, they are far more 
impassioning, intelligent, and powerful than the pacifist poets who inspire 
us to see the injustice of violence.  i already see that injustice, in a huge 
heap of flesh and steel in lower manhattan.  i don't need a poem today to 
remind me of that injustice.  what i really need is to never see it again.  
pat

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