What makes Madonna more or less influencial that Joni?

I've been having this debate with my good friend Josh for weeks now, I keep asking him to define "influence", sure if cone shaped bras and a gap between your front teeth are what you mean (although Dave Letterman wins that contest) maybe madonna wins, but I just can't get him to see that Ms. Mitchell has had more influence in the music industry. I told him Madonna's favorite album in high school was C&S, he didn't care, he keeps saying he'd never even heard of Joni before he met me, I told him he has bad taste in music (just kidding). Anyway, I was wondering is if everyone would add some fuel to this fire, I would appreciate any and all ideas concerning this debate. I guess I have a chip on my shoulder when it comes to Madonna, for me shape shifting, sexual power and shock value don't cut it.

Erica




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