stephen >>Her more 'hushed' version of ' Woodstock' is really growing on me and the more I listen to 'For The Roses' the more I can here the melody coming through and the ending really is worth waiting for. >>
eric>>That is my experience as well. It took a good five listens to finally begin to fathom the depth of these two songs. I'm sure they are the reason Rolling Stone called Travelogue "strange."<< i absolutely loved both of these songs from the first listen...because to me they create such a new (current) emotional interpretation of a past event or feeling......the wintry vibe of for the roses on t'log as opposed to the original summer one...wow... i can understand people just not liking certain arrangements, as some have mentioned here, for musical reasons but when someone who is in a position to review a peice of work in a major mag uses the word 'strange' it sends up a red flag for me about the critics musical ear & capabilities... ******************************************** Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs Over the Moon- "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic" All Music Guide ******************************************** -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 12:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #551 JMDL Digest Saturday, December 7 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 551 Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: smokin ["Mark or Travis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Re: confused njc [Catherine McKay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Re: joni's smoking [Catherine McKay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Re: Reviews of Joni - In General - Travelogue specifically [Catherine McK] Re: THAT C&S SONG NJC now [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Re: re:Edgar Allen Poe ["mia ortlieb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Re: Gregg Cagno's Holiday CD - "River" cover! - now with njc! ["Mark or T] Poe stories [Little Bird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Re: Poe stories NJC [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Re: THAT C&S SONG [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Re: THAT C&S SONG [Little Bird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Joni in the park ["michael o'malley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Re: THAT C&S SONG [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] That C & S song [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Re: Subject: Travelogue - Wow! [Eric W Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Re: Dylan and joni: Idiot Wind [Randy Remote <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Re: Travelogue - thumbs down I'm afraid [Randy Remote <guitarzan@direcpc.] Lady with the hole in her stocking [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Re: thumbs down (tears remix) [Eric W Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Re: THAT C&S SONG [dsk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Re: Lady with the hole in her stocking [dsk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Today in History: December 7 [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Today's Library Links: December 7 [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Re: My ideas on Joni's statue [dsk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 20:00:06 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: smokin > It's true a statue of Jimi Hendrix probably would show him with a guitar, > not a needle stuck in his arm to remind future generations of his addiction. There is one on Broadway in Seattle. He's kneeling with the neck of his guitar sticking straight up. It's very dramatic. Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 23:01:00 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: confused njc --- colin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On a more seroious note, i understand the pain > casued to people who have > to watch people they love be very ill and or die. > Like I said, john's sister has lung cancer and > emphysema. She has never > smoked. Who do we blame? there has to be someone or > something at fault. > Her 28 yr old son, is in remission for the 2nd time > from stomach cancer. > doesn't smoke. but something or someone must be to > blame. > Smoking isn't the only cause of lung cancer and emphysema; but it is certainly *a* cause. There can be other factors. There seems to be evidence that some types of cancers may arise from a virus. Still others are linked to environment and pollution, particularly PCBs. Then again, there are possible genetic factors. There are still too many unknowns about cancer, but most people who get lung cancer are smokers. My mother had breast cancer. I don't know if there's a link between smoking and breast cancer, but her cancer did move into her lungs and her bones. This is not a pretty way to die and I wouldn't wish it on anyone. It's very horrible to see a loved one growing weaker and in pain and not being able to do much about it except increase the morphine. Then there's the old quality of life issue. Many people who smoke live to a very old age, but to hear them coughing and wheezing it doesn't seem they could possibly enjoy life much. My sister and her husband smoke like freakin' chimneys. I can't even stay in their house for more than an hour without getting a headache and sinus problems. I love my sister dearly but I wish to God she would quit. I stayed overnight in their house once and you hear my brother-in-law in the morning sounding like he's coughing up a lung. I can't stay in their house anymore and if I tell them why, they'll think I'm some kind of crank. (I am, but that's not the point; so are they, because they don't like their rights as smokers being infringed on either!) I used to smoke and I know it's hard to quit. I quit 18 years ago. There are times I still wish I could have just that one or two cigarettes a day that I enjoyed most of the 20-or-so that I would smoke every day. But I know I can't have just one, and I'm sure it would make me sick now anyway; it's just the thought of it and the feel of it in my hand... Like anything else, it's the decision of the individual. you can't make someone quit. First they have to want to and that's a decision they must reach on their own. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 23:03:10 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: joni's smoking --- Lori Fye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Saskatoon gets cold in winter. > > You know, this has already crossed my mind. How > warm does it get in > summer? Will Joni be overdressed, or underdressed? > > And about the depiction of her age ... I suppose she could dress in layers, so you could take things off when it got hot! I wonder if there's a "layer" thing for age? (Peel off the wrinkles to reveal the young you underneath - wouldn't that be nice!) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 23:20:35 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Reviews of Joni - In General - Travelogue specifically --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Firstly, I'm new member to this list, so if I'm not > following protocol please > be gentle, I will learn quickly. > > Secondly, and most importantly, I have found after > listening to Joni's works > for these past 30+ years: never judge her work > before listening multiple > times. Like all fine works of art, it takes time to > truly appreciate, and > like fine wine only gets better with age. That's exactly it and that's the problem with reviews. I'm sure the reviewers don't have the luxury of listening to new items at their leisure, so first impressions are it for them. They're on deadline or they've got too many other things to listen to. I often find that the stuff I like on first listen gets old very quickly, whereas other pieces grow on me with time. With Joni, I find I have to listen many times (and most of the time I want to ;). I also find that I have to really focus and listen - Joni isn't background music. I can also listen to her twenty or thirty years after I first heard a particular song or album and still find something fresh and new in it. I can't say the same about too many other artists that I loved thirty years ago. (By the way, welcome to the list.) ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 23:23:03 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: THAT C&S SONG NJC now In a message dated 12/06/2002 11:16:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, KJHSF writes: > ! I have to admit, it still sends shivers down my spine simply because of > the personal stuff I was trying to cope with at the time. It has nothing > to do with the song itself, of course. Oh, I understand that Ken,,,I thank you for sharing and I'm so sorry for your loss. Something you never just "get over" I suppose. > I'm amazed that you were able to access that particular era of top 40 so > perfectly. I'm thinking it was in the late winter/early spring of that > year--1974? Yes...it's a very specific memory. > > Of course, these days, when I think of Midnight at the Oasis, I think about > Catherine O'hara and Fred Willard's performance of it in the audition > segment of Waiting For Guffman-if you haven't seen this film, run, don't > walk to a video rental store--it's priceless! Oh gawd yes!! My lifelong Pally sent me a copy of this video, and it is so fecking brilliant!!! As a longtime vet of community theatre, this seemed almost like a documentary! :~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 22:40:39 -0600 From: "mia ortlieb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: re:Edgar Allen Poe <<My thought was 'Some come dark and strange like dying/crows and ravens whistling' from 'Songs to Aging Children Come'.>> Good catch Mark! Also, could "The Beat of Black Wings" be a reference also? Where are all you Poe experts? I can't remember anything by Poe other than the Raven and the Pit and the Pendulum. Maybe I need to go back to grade school like the record execs should. Mia NPIMH: The Raven -APP _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 20:42:39 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Gregg Cagno's Holiday CD - "River" cover! - now with njc! > << That being said...Barry was pretty good in his day. He had a number of great > tunes, PLUS he did play piano for what famous bathhouse singer? Your cue, > Murphy... >> > > Um, ah . . . don't tell me, I know this one . . . > > Was it . . . > > Bette Midler? Yes indeed it was! And some of us (though we love the old broad dearly) will never forgive her for unleashing that particular beast on an unsuspecting world! The Divine Mr. M. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 20:51:31 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Poe stories Two of his most creepy tales (and they're all creepy) are The Telltale Heart and The House of Usher. The Telltale Heart is about a man who commits murder and buries his victim under the floor but the sound of a beating heart in his head, which gets repeatedly louder and louder, drives him insane with guilt and he eventually goes completely mad, unable to stop the beating sound in his mind. Another is The House of Usher about a very creepy brother and sister living in a huge mansion. I believe the sister is blind. I forget how the story goes but in the end the house crumbles to the ground under the weight of enormous evil and untold secrets. I'd have to read these stories again to search for possible Joni fodder. Then there was his poetry...the man was quite prolific. - -Andrew Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 23:54:15 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Poe stories NJC Yes indeed, I was thinking about the Telltale Heart as well...and the Masque of the Red Death. Very creepy. As a fan of the macabre, I LOVE me some Poe. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 23:57:54 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: THAT C&S SONG It's all got me thinking about 1974 and I did some research. Joni reached #7 In April with Help Me. Maria Muldaur reached #6 in March with Midnight at the Oasis BUT Sister Janet Mead reached #4 in March with (remember this?)The Lord's Prayer LOL Ken P.S. Popcorn was nowhere to be seen :( ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 21:00:26 -0800 (PST) From: Little Bird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: THAT C&S SONG I believe Help Me got all the way to #2 on the Canadian charts. - -Andrew - --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > It's all got me thinking about 1974 and I did some > research. > > Joni reached #7 In April with Help Me. > Maria Muldaur reached #6 in March with Midnight at > the Oasis > BUT > Sister Janet Mead reached #4 in March with (remember > this?)The Lord's Prayer > > LOL > Ken > P.S. Popcorn was nowhere to be seen :( Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 00:05:13 -0500 From: "michael o'malley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Joni in the park I think we should get Anjelica Huston's husband, Robert Graham, to do the statue. They are both close friends of Joni's, and Graham is one of the great Mexican/American sculptors working today. He has done several memorials, including ones for FDR and Duke Ellington. He's doing the new doors for the LA cathedral. I just don't want to see some artist's well-intended attempt to portray Joni. I think it must be very beautiful, since Joni is UQOMB!. Her expression and likeness are difficult to catch - and a less talented artist could ending up creating an embarassingly bad cartoon. We need to work on Anjelica for this one! Michael in Quebec ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 00:30:10 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: THAT C&S SONG In a message dated 12/7/2002 12:00:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I believe Help Me got all the way to #2 on the > Canadian charts. > > That's becuase you Canadians have style and taste. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 00:57:23 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: That C & S song Even though HM was Joni's big radio hit it still stands up as an amazing song..I think it perfectly describes the feelin most people have when they are embarking on a new romance..The line "hopin for the future and worryin bout the past" wow! Says it all right there...I love C & S cant get enough.. P.S Joni has a cool article/interview in the new Rolling Stone and this time it was done by David Wild, who in my opinion treats Joni with respect and comes off soundin like a fan who feels honored to interview one of his idols..She looks fierce in the photo, im assuming thats her backyard,whatta beauty..Lookin relaxed and content..Have a great weekend y'all :) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 01:23:04 -0500 From: Eric W Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Subject: Travelogue - Wow! Stephen Toogood wrote: << Her more 'hushed' version of ' Woodstock' is really growing on me and the more I listen to 'For The Roses' the more I can here the melody coming through and the ending really is worth waiting for. >> That is my experience as well. It took a good five listens to finally begin to fathom the depth of these two songs. I'm sure they are the reason Rolling Stone called Travelogue "strange." I've been listenings to T at least once a day for ten days and appreciate it more each time! There isn't a weak song on it and I'm ready to say that it's my #1 fave Joni has ever released. Sorry if I've offended anyone with my passionate love for all things Joni. It's just that the woman never ceases to overwhelm me with her unparalleled artistry!!! This album deserves at least five Grammy's. ET NP: Richard (T) WOW!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 22:25:06 -0800 From: Randy Remote <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Dylan and joni: Idiot Wind I had heard it was about Roger McGuinn; the reference to "Chestnut Mare" (one of his songs) would seem to bear this out. RR Patti Witten wrote: > Someone once told me that Dylan''s "Idiot Wind" (1975, Blood On The Tracks) > was about Joni. My apologies if this has already been covered. > > > I woke up on the roadside, daydreamin' 'bout the way things sometimes are > > Visions of your chestnut mare shoot through my head and are makin' me see > > stars. > > You hurt the ones that I love best and cover up the truth with lies. > > One day you'll be in the ditch, flies buzzin' around your eyes, > > Blood on your saddle. > > Not very flattering! Is it a "true" legend? > > here's the rest of the lyric > http://www.bobdylan.com/songs/idiot.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 22:28:15 -0800 From: Randy Remote <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Travelogue - thumbs down I'm afraid Have you ever taken a few bites of food, and said "uh...no thanks...." ? Would eating more of it make you like it better? Eric W Taylor wrote: I always love it when a critical reviewer pans an album > admittedly before listening to the first half of it. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 01:47:13 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Lady with the hole in her stocking I always thought this line refered to a funny experience that she was lookin back on...Like "oh honey, remember that time we were at that club and that lady asked you to dance and she had all those runs in her stocking"..Thats what I always think of when I hear that line...Peace again ***kevin**** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 02:14:04 -0500 From: Eric W Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: thumbs down (tears remix) Catherine in Toronto wrote: << If I'm in a particularly depressed mood and listen to Travelogue, I just end up crying my eyes out anyway, so listening to it a lot probably ain't a good idea. Not that it's depressing, but I do find it emotionally draining when I'm feeling weak. >> Funny, when Joni's music makes me cry I always feel SO much better. It's like creatively understanding the root of one's sadness. I usually feel energized when hearing the demons of despair being told off so beautifully! ET NP: Borderline (T) ~ SO TRUE! PS. ;~D ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 02:26:30 -0500 From: dsk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: THAT C&S SONG Adam Mulvey wrote: > > I always thought it was "hard hard places!" Ignorant I am. But why is it > so great? It's the "smoke and ash". She just sounds so *passionate* about > it - bitter, but passionate - "I've seen a few things, and I've seen a few > dreams gone sour, and I've had to accept it; but man, it churns me up > inside". And I thought it was just me that was so enraptured by this bit of > the song! Help Me is a fantastic song! I remember being thrilled every time it came on the radio, which was often, at least once an hour, and as soon as I heard the guitar intro I always had to stop whatever I was doing and listen to the whole song. Anyone with me had to listen, too, or at least not talk to me until the song was over. I think of it as Joni's theme song, the thrill of romance, love, sex, the hopefulness at the beginning, the worry about loss of independence. And even with all the worry and all the smoke and ash history, she's going to do it again, can't stop herself. I find that very inspiring. What a wonderful song! Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 02:38:59 -0500 From: dsk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Lady with the hole in her stocking [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I always thought this line refered to a funny experience that she was lookin back on...Like "oh honey, remember that time we were at that club and that lady asked you to dance and she had all those runs in her stocking"..Thats what I always think of when I hear that line... I always think of Joni as the woman with the hole in her stocking, dancing shoeless and with sensual abandon. She's so enamored and in the moment of her new passion that something she'd normally fix now seems trivial. There's a celebration going on! Didn't it feel good? Indeed. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 02:39:57 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Today in History: December 7 1975: The Rolling Thunder Review, including Joni, performed at the Correctional Institution for Women at Clinton, New Jersey. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=299 - ---- For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 02:39:57 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Today's Library Links: December 7 On December 7 the following item was published: 1974: "...and now it's Our Lady of Optimism" - New Musical Express (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=452 - -------- Can you type? http://www.jmdl.com/typing/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 02:55:19 -0500 From: dsk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: My ideas on Joni's statue George Segal's "people" always have such a sense of loneliness about them, so imagining Joni as a Segal sculpture is an interesting idea. For all her sociability, she does have a reclusive side. Duane Hanson is still around, and he not only shows the warts, he glorifies them. He'd happily include cigs for a Joni sculpture, and probably have one continuously blowing smoke rings. http://museum.oglethorpe.edu/Hanson.htm Maybe a little too realistic? :-) Debra Shea Jerry Notaro wrote: > > Too bad sculptor George Segal is no longer alive. I'm sure he would have > loved to tackle this project. > > Jerry ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #551 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)
