Hi I am new to all this and i have managed to delete the instructions about contributing to the list. I hope this gets somewhere.
"Dawntreader" and "Hejira" are the highlights of Travelogue for me - "Dawntreader" being a new song entirely as i dont own the first album, so what a treat. I'll keep this brief as i dont know where its going! Robin 0 Ireland >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JMDL Digest) >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: JMDL Digest V2003 #144 >Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 03:00:08 -0500 (EST) > >JMDL Digest Tuesday, February 25 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 144 > > > >Sign up now for JoniFest 2003! http://www.jonifest.com >========== > >TOPICS and authors in this Digest: >-------- > Re: State of the list [Les Irvin ] > what brought me to the jmdl ["ron" ] > What blew me like a leaf this way? [Little Bird > Re: what brought you to bret easton ellis? njc [EMAIL PROTECTED] > More Grammys (some JC) ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] > Re: what brought me to the jmdl [EMAIL PROTECTED] > woodstock ["Kate Bennett" ] > Re: Woodstock ["Mark or Travis" ] > bruuuuuce NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] > what brought you to joniland? ["Kate Bennett" ] > grammys njc ["Kate Bennett" ] > Re: Woodstock [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Re: the state of this list [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Today in History: February 25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Today's Library Links: February 25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Re: The State of the List - Instant messaging info - No Joni content ["M] > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:21:30 -0700 >From: Les Irvin >Subject: Re: State of the list > >At 2/24/2003 04:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >That said, some thoughts on the list: 1) I was totally surprised to hear Les > >say that he didn't care for the political discussions because I thought it > >was Les that had stated that the people who did not want the political posts > >had spewed venom or made venomous renarks. > >Let me clarify: > >1) I said "I don't particularly care for the political threads which seem >to be dominating in the last few months", in other words "I have chosen not >to read the Iraq threads". I have enjoyed and read many political threads >throughout the years. > >2) The venom comment was in regards to certain isolated responses from the >OnlyJoni list when the NJC tag was inadvertently left off a post - it had >nothing to do with political content. > >Les... a humorless, cliquish, total wackjob. > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 00:43:46 +0200 >From: "ron" >Subject: what brought me to the jmdl > >hi > > >i wound up here 'cause someone accused me of not be nice... > >i somehow wound up running the michelle shocked list after the previous list >owner bailed (too long & messy to repeat the story). > >some guy pitched up as a new member, introduced himself for a while. then he >unsubbed & said that it was cause he hadnt been made to feel welcome. not >like on the joni list. i seem to remember but am not too sure that it was >patrick. > >his statement intrigued me. i had never thought of a list as being a >community. the michelle list was plagued with squabbles & arguments, but i >still loved it. also, i adored joni's music. so i came whizzing on over >here. burnt my fingers on one or two listers. got welcomed by a couple >others. got sent a virtual hug by ashara & stuck around. > >yeah - sometimes it did seem a bit strange. a bit touchy feely. a bit too >taking ourselves seriously. nothing wrong with that tho. once you get used >to it you start to realise its just a bunch of people being friendly. caring >for each other. and thats a good place to be.... > >personally ive never met a single one of the listers in person. but i really >do feel as if i know you. and i definitely do care about most of you. all in >all its a really great place. > >its also a good place to find out about joni :-) > > >ron >ps - whatever happened to the "beside herself" statue???? > >------------------------------ > >Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 21:40:25 -0800 (PST) >From: Little Bird >Subject: What blew me like a leaf this way? > >It was Jim Johanson who urged me to join since he and >I discussed Joni via email a lot. He said, "There's >this great little community you should visit..." > >Reaching for words and drawing blanks, > >- -Andrew >Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more >http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 00:42:03 EST >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: what brought you to bret easton ellis? njc > >Vince writes: > ><< Anyone ever wants to have a discission on Bret Easton Ellis books, I am >very open - >> > >Bret Easton Ellis = a very talented writer with characters I just can't care >about, which makes for a strange reading experience. (And I'm not just >talking about "American Psycho" here.) > >- --Bob > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 00:45:57 -0500 >From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" >Subject: More Grammys (some JC) > >Today's word of the day is "compression." > >These albums don't have much compression: "Travelogue", "Both Sides Now", >"For the Roses", "Mingus" and Tori Amos' "Boys For Pele". > >"Court and Spark" has lots of compression. Remember when I said that in >complex passages, "Court and Spark" gets congested and gritty? > >Imagine that you put "Court and Spark" on at very low volume. You can still >hear almost everything because what would normally be a quiet passage was >squeezed, or compressed, into an average loudness. What would ordinarily >have been loud was also "squeezed" (compressed) into average loudness. It >sounds a little like AM radio- gritty and compressed. (A little bit.) > >Leaving the imaginary volume very low, now put on the "Both Sides Now" cd. >The quiet passages can't be heard at all. That's why lots of people say >that "Both Sides Now" should be played loudly; it is not compressed. > >Lama > > >Bruce asked, > >>> >Jay Newland says he wanted the album "to sound like the ones I grew >up with, like an old Joni Mitchell album -- not >compressed to death." > >What does he mean by 'compressed'? > >------------------------------ > >Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 21:47:27 -0800 >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: what brought me to the jmdl > >Quoting ron : > > > > its also a good place to find out about joni :-) > > > > > > ron > > ps - whatever happened to the "beside herself" statue???? > > >Yeah, Sarah, how bout an update?? > >Best, >Stephen in Vancouver > >------------------------------ > >Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:00:57 -0800 >From: "Kate Bennett" >Subject: woodstock > > >She DREAMED she saw the bombers turning into butterflies, but dreams >aren't reality. She says we've GOT to get ourselves back to the garden; >she doesn't say we're already there< > >i was at woodstock (the one & only)& there were many helicopters flying >overhead...at one point, after the rains, one that looked like it was from >the military dropped flowers all over the crowd...an amazing sight to behold >& so i always see this image when that line about bombers turning into >butterflies is sung because metaphorically that is what really happened... > >******************************************** >Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com >Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs >Over the Moon- >"bringing the melancholy world of twilight >to life almost like magic" All Music Guide >******************************************** >"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful >committed citizens can change the world, >indeed it is the only thing that ever has." >Margaret Mead > >------------------------------ > >Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:08:55 -0800 >From: "Mark or Travis" >Subject: Re: Woodstock > > > At 06:19 PM 2/24/2003 -0500, Deb Messling wrote about "Woodstock:" > >> So many writers trot out the "voice of her generation" cliche and > >> cite Woodstock as some sort of hippie anthem > > > > To me, the song always was and always will be a hippie anthem. :-) > > If some want to label it "the voice of a generation" I think it's a > > compliment to > > the songwriter for capturing the emotion of an entire generation. > > > > > >> She DREAMED she saw the bombers turning into butterflies, but >dreams > >> aren't reality. She says we've GOT to get ourselves back to the > >> garden; > >> she doesn't say we're already there. > > > > Isn't that the point? The reality in 1969 was bombers strafing > > southeast Asia, the dream was and still is to take this flying > > machine of destruction and turn it into something more peaceful and > > beautiful, like a butterfly. She's *hoping* society will find the > > garden, or some semblance of a garden. Few would have argued then > > that we were "already there" in the garden...the > > *dream* was for everyone to get there...and that is why the song is > > an anthem. > >I agree that the song is an anthem both in Joni's original version and >in the Travelogue version. > >The Ladies of the Canyon version makes me think of a pagan priestess >singing an invocation, the beginning of some sacred ritual. It is >sung with reverence and a certain amount of awe. The voice soars into >the stratosphere, reaching toward the heavens. It recalls a recent >event, a gathering of the tribes. But in spite of the fact that it >recalls a communal event, to me it has the sound of a single soul >expressing the exaltation and hope brought on by that event, not the >'voice of a generation.' > >On Travelogue she doesn't have that instrument that can reach those >heights anymore. So she takes a different route and gives the song a >weight and profundity that it couldn't have had in the original. More >than 30 years have passed since the song and the event that inspired >it. Altamont, Kent State, Watergate, the Gulf War, Chernobyl, >Exxon-Valdez, the dissolution of the Soviet Union, the fall of the >Berlin Wall, 9-11 - all of these things and more have come to pass in >the intervening years and have perhaps changed the way we view what >was for many, the defining moment of a generation. Woodstock, the >event is now history and the stuff of legend. Joni's latest >incarnation of the song, Woodstock achieves anthemic status in a >different way. It is now hindsight, nostalgic and colored with the >tint of myth. It has become a slow and stately march, more about the >half a million than the solitary child of God who finally, but only >for a fleeting few days, found that place of song, celebration and >naive innocence. > >Annie Ross once said that Lady in Satin was her favorite Billie >Holiday record "because there's a whole life in that voice." I think >the same can be said for Joni's singing on Travelogue. Billie died >when she was in her 40s. Although it could be argued that she had >more life experience in that time than a lot of people have in 80 >years, I don't think that lessens the fact that Joni has lived nearly >60 years and that there is perhaps even more of a life in Joni's >voice. The voice gives new insight into Woodstock, a perhaps sadder, >but wiser recollection of the event. This latest version is different >from the original but no less anthemic. > >The more I listen to Travelogue, the more I hear in the voice that has >a whole life in it. Some of the arrangements that didn't seem to work >for me at first make more & more sense to me the more I listen. >Although some of them are truly stunning and really do enhance the >songs, I think some of them merely serve the purpose of providing an >interesting but unobtrusive backdrop to that voice. And that voice >with the whole life in it has new insights to bring to these songs, >even though it was in better shape when it sang them the first time. > >Mark in Seattle > >------------------------------ > >Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:11:05 -0800 >From: "Kate Bennett" >Subject: bruuuuuce NJC > > >>Best Male Rock Performance - The Rising >Best Rock Song - The Rising >Best Rock Album - The Rising<< > >thanks rosie...3 big hoorays for bruce!!!!!, loved his little chin thing >too! > >******************************************** >Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com >Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs >Over the Moon- >"bringing the melancholy world of twilight >to life almost like magic" All Music Guide >******************************************** >"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful >committed citizens can change the world, >indeed it is the only thing that ever has." >Margaret Mead > >------------------------------ > >Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:11:06 -0800 >From: "Kate Bennett" >Subject: what brought you to joniland? > >vince > and James, I love you guy, you are the greatest, you are so >wonderful, I >can't express how much I love you and love your posts! > > >jim > And I, you, Vince. < > >ahhhh its a beautiful thing...what the world needs now is love sweet >love...its the only thing there is much too little of... > >******************************************** >Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com >Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs >Over the Moon- >"bringing the melancholy world of twilight >to life almost like magic" All Music Guide >******************************************** >"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful >committed citizens can change the world, >indeed it is the only thing that ever has." >Margaret Mead > >------------------------------ > >Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:30:11 -0800 >From: "Kate Bennett" >Subject: grammys njc > > >>What about Shawn Colvin, Lucinda Williams, Jess Klein, Carrie >Newcomer, Kasey Chambers, Lucy Kaplansky, Patty Griffin, Rickie Lee Jones? >Jeez anyone with an edge!<< > >i hear you! patty griffin (my favorite songwriter these days) was nominated >but did not win...i think nickle creek took her category...why can't >everyone hear her brillance?!?!?! call me cynical but i am pretty sure that >performing or being nominated for the grammy's has a lot to do with the >favors provided by the artist's record company... > >******************************************** >Kate Bennett: www.katebennett.com >Sponsored by Polysonics/Atlantis Sound Labs >Over the Moon- >"bringing the melancholy world of twilight >to life almost like magic" All Music Guide >******************************************** >"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful >committed citizens can change the world, >indeed it is the only thing that ever has." >Margaret Mead > >------------------------------ > >Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:49:35 -0800 >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: Woodstock > >Quoting Mark or Travis : > > > On Travelogue she doesn't have that instrument that can reach those > > heights anymore. So she takes a different route and gives the song a > > weight and profundity that it couldn't have had in the original. More > > than 30 years have passed since the song and the event that inspired > > it. Altamont, Kent State, Watergate, the Gulf War, Chernobyl, > > Exxon-Valdez, the dissolution of the Soviet Union, the fall of the > > Berlin Wall, 9-11 - all of these things and more have come to pass in > > the intervening years and have perhaps changed the way we view what > > was for many, the defining moment of a generation. Woodstock, the > > event is now history and the stuff of legend. Joni's latest > > incarnation of the song, Woodstock achieves anthemic status in a > > different way. It is now hindsight, nostalgic and colored with the > > tint of myth. It has become a slow and stately march, more about the > > half a million than the solitary child of God who finally, but only > > for a fleeting few days, found that place of song, celebration and > > naive innocence. > > >Mark, > >Welcome home! It's this kind of post that I have been missing of late. Thank >you! >Glad you are back, and hi to Travis. > >Best >Stephen in Vancouver > >NP: Patti Witten- Sycamore Tryst > >------------------------------ > >Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 23:03:35 -0800 >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: the state of this list > >I have been a member for close to three years. As most, I discovered the list >by searching the net for anything Joni. I joined and lurked for months before >making my first post. > >Two people welcomed me to the list- Bob Muller and Ashara. I thought that was >pretty special. It didnt take me long to clue into the fact that they both >did that with everyone! > >It takes a bit of work to get comfortable here. Of course there is a >familiarity amongst those that have been here for a longer period. I have >never felt unwelcome- the exact opposite, truth be told. > >Who knew there were Joni boots of concerts and unreleased material? Wow! I >remember the day I received my first non-commercial Joni CDs- thanks Bob! I >was blown away. Wally Kairuz was visiting from Argentina that day. > >Which is a story in itself. > >Wally and I had communicated off list after his request for North American food >recipes, I believe. We established a cyber friendship. Next thing I know, >this guy from Buenos Aires takes me up on my offer to come and visit, and does >so, for two weeks. ACK! My friends thought I was crazy- having someone come >to my home whom I had never met. What if he is an axe murderer? someone >asked. Well, I said, call in the morning and if I dont answer the phone, I >guess he is! > >Wally and I are brothers now. > >And during his stay, Steve and Michelle Dulson, and Kate Bennett were in town >for the Folk Alliance. We all met for the first time and it was like visiting >with cousins you havent seen for a year and a half! > >And that is the beauty of this list. > >It has truly been a community. Anyone who has ANY doubts should come to this >years Jonifest, and you will get it! It has been a life altering experience >for me and I have made many, many lifelong friends as a result. How many in >this world can say that? > >WOW, Kakki and I had lunch with Joni a year and a half ago! Would that have >EVER been if not for the connection this list affords? > >I am thrilled to say that I have like-minded friends from all over the world as >a result. Hey, Ive been married and divorced on this list ;-) gained a few >brothers and sisters, and am in love again. > >I agree that lately we seem to have lost that magical sense of community. Far >too many who are integral to this list have become Joni only. I too, am on >the brink of doing the same. Personal attacks, overposting, the war content >overload! What really gets me is how some feel that every post requires a >response, and far too many of those are of the nature that should be sent >personally, not to the whole list. B---- will say it is sunny out, G---- will >answer it isnt. Does the list really care? Take it off the list. To receive >100 posts a day and so many of them be of this content is overwhelming. > >I dont suggest that the list should be moderated. However, I firmly believe >we need to be a bit more thoughtful and respectful of each other, and our >differences. Appreciate what we have, love our brothers and sisters and get >back to the garden, as our muse has said. > >And as that other muse, the blue guy said, stifle the conversations about >religion, sex and politics. > >With love and respect, >Stephen in Vancouver > >Hoping to stay an NJC subscriber! > >NP: Patti Witten Sycamore Tryst- loving it Patti and if not for this list >would never have discovered you! > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 02:05:53 -0500 >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Today in History: February 25 > >1972: Joni performed in Massey Hall in Toronto - Jackson Browne is the opening act. >More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=432 >- ---- >For a comprehensive reference to Joni's appearances, >consult Joni Mitchell ~ A Chronology of Appearances: >http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 02:05:53 -0500 >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Today's Library Links: February 25 > >On February 25 the following items were published: > > >1972: "Concert Is Given By Joni Mitchell" - New York Times > (Review - Concert) > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=814 > > >2000: "Joni Mitchell's new look at 'Both Sides Now'" - Christian Science Monitor > (Review - Album) > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=703 > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 08:06:55 +0100 >From: "Moni Kellermann" >Subject: Re: The State of the List - Instant messaging info - No Joni content > >- ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Lori Fye" > > > IMICI offers free software that allows you to IM with people who use > > AIM, Yahoo, MSN, and ICQ - at the SAME time. I use IMICI and I love > > it. Visit http://users.imici.com/signup.php, and choose > > the "Demonstration" license. > > >Seems to be similar to http://www.trillian.cc/ which I have tried out. (There >is a free version you can download). > >The catch with both programs is that it still isn't possible to send messages >between the different IM services! >You may have ONE program that functions as an IM client for all those services >but you still only can send messages to and from within one service. It is not >possible to send an IM from AIM/AOL to Yahoo or from MSN to AOL or such. > >moni > >------------------------------ > >End of JMDL Digest V2003 #144 >***************************** > >------- >Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Unsubscribe by clicking here: >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >------- >Siquomb, isn't she? 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