Indeed, I think the JOSM message of the day in September won't be exactly polite against Oracle!
2018-04-16 20:44 GMT+02:00 Jo <winfi...@gmail.com>: > Good news! Who needs Oracle anyway :-) > > Polyglot > > 2018-04-16 20:36 GMT+02:00 Vincent Privat <vincent.pri...@gmail.com>: > >> Hello, >> I got in contact with Jiri Vanek. He might be our saviour. >> As some of you may know, he's the one behind IcedTea-Web (ITW: the free & >> open-source implementation of Java WebStart in the IcedTea project): >> https://icedtea.classpath.org/wiki/IcedTea-Web >> >> The project is still actively developed (the 1.8 version is in progress). >> http://icedtea.classpath.org/hg/icedtea-web/ >> >> Last year, Jiri added support for Windows, which I validated with the >> RedHat build. >> Jiri's also part of the AdoptOpenJdk initiative which aimes to provide a >> build farm of OpenJDK with certified binaries on all platforms: >> https://adoptopenjdk.net/releases.html >> >> If I understood correctly, these builds are going to provide JavaFX and >> ITW >> once the version 1.8 is finished! >> >> So we have to test ITW on Windows and macOS to make sure it works with >> Java >> 10 and early builds of Java 11. Then we'll have to check if it still works >> once Oracle completely removes Java WebStart (I don't know the impacts it >> could have on ITW). >> >> I'm currently trying to build & test ITW on Windows. >> >> Cheers, >> Vincent >> >> 2018-04-11 20:41 GMT+02:00 Vincent Privat <vincent.pri...@gmail.com>: >> >> > One month already and I still don't know what to do regarding WebStart. >> > I found out this: https://developers.redhat.com/ >> products/openjdk/download/ >> > Red Hat is providing an implementation of OpenJDK 8 on Windows >> containing: >> > - OpenJDK >> > - OpenJFX >> > - WebStart based on IcedTea-Web >> > - An auto-update feature (a small simple script registered to Windows >> Task >> > Scheduler) >> > >> > The good news: >> > - This is exactly what we would need for JDK 11. >> > - I tested it and it works perfectly. We have nothing to change in JOSM >> to >> > make it work with this runtime. >> > >> > The bad news: >> > - It is only available to Java developers. A (free) RedHat account is >> > required, and it is forbidden to redistribute it. >> > - there is a version of Java 9 but it does only contain OpenJDK (thus it >> > is useless) >> > - there is no macOS runtime >> > >> > Does someone on this list has a professionnal RedHat account, or know >> > someone there? I'd like to know if we can hope to see RedHat releasing >> > OpenJDK 11 it as a public runtime, free or charge and not requiring a >> user >> > account, which would contain the same components as their OpenJDK 8 >> > version. This way we would only have to tell people to uninstall their >> > Oracle runtime and install the Red Hat runtime instead. >> > >> > >> > 2018-03-10 18:05 GMT+01:00 Vincent Privat <vincent.pri...@gmail.com>: >> > >> >> If we were to abandon AWT/Swing, migrating to SWT might be another >> >> option. I don't think it would be easy, but at least it's actively >> >> maintained: https://www.openhub.net/p/swt/contributors/summary >> >> >> >> 2018-03-09 10:40 GMT+01:00 Dirk Stöcker <openstreet...@dstoecker.de>: >> >> >> >>> On Thu, 8 Mar 2018, Richard wrote: >> >>> >> >>> On Thu, Mar 08, 2018 at 08:36:21AM +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> You could sit down today and re-implement everything in, say, C++, >> and >> >>>>> it would be relatively straightforward, and while the result would >> not >> >>>>> share any of JOSM's codebase, it would still encapsulate all the >> >>>>> experience and brainpower that has flown into JOSM development over >> the >> >>>>> years. >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> true in principle but you would need a protable GUI that doesn't >> suck or >> >>>> you end up programming for at least 3 platforms with 3 sets of bugs, >> >>>> 3 sets of dependencies etc. >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> Reimplementing an existing software like JOSM which has an estimated >> >>> cost of more than hundred development years ( >> >>> https://www.openhub.net/p/josm) in another language in an non-profit >> OS >> >>> application is doomed to fail in my eyes. The motivation for a >> programmer >> >>> to take an existing software and reimplement everything again is low. >> For a >> >>> very long time you will not have something which is usable and >> inbetween >> >>> you have tasks to do, but no positive feedback. That may work when the >> >>> people are paid for it, but not when programmers need to be >> motivated. I'd >> >>> consider people beeing motived by such a task very strange. :-) >> >>> >> >>> Rather than that if JOSM really dies some of the better ideas of it >> will >> >>> be taken and implemented in existing or new software (which BTW is >> already >> >>> happening, e.g. osmosis taking the Validator MapCSS or many other >> things). >> >>> >> >>> If there is a way to automatically convert the code and start with a >> >>> working base, then the situation is different... >> >>> >> >>> But I also don't think this is necessary (ATM). >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Ciao >> >>> -- >> >>> http://www.dstoecker.eu/ (PGP key available) >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> > >> > >
