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> -----Original Message-----
> From: jannet fernandez [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 5:52 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: RE: [JOYnet] salvation
>
> Hi,
> I would like to have a small say on Born-Again. And
> please forgive me if i am wrong.
>
> Jesus said "You must be born again" John 3:3;
> Yes, everyman must be born again. I believe that by
> simply telling that u belong to a Born-again Sect does
> not make u born-again. Jesus himself gives us the
> answer as to how to be born-again.
I DO AGREE WITH YOU JANNET AND MORE SO WITH THE VERSE BELOW.
> "Except a man be born of water and of the spirit, he
> cannot enter into the kingdom of God." John 3:5.
>
> You must be born of the water and the spirit.
> You are first physically born into the world. Then u
> must be born of the water when u r baptised. You shed
> behind ur older self and become a new person when u r
> baptised because u r cleansed of the sins with which u
> were born with. (TRUE - EPH.4:22-24)
> Then u have to be born with the
> spirit. This happens when we personally accept Jesus
> Christ as our Lord and Saviour. Before Jesus'
> Ascension he had breathed the Holy Spirit to all his
> followers assembled in the room. All of them had
> believed that Jesus was their saviour. And it was the
> strength of this spirit that helped them to preach the
> Good News to everyone.(TRUE - ACTS 1:8)
> So when we accept Jesus as our
> Lord and Saviour he will send us the power of the Holy
> Spirit. This power can come in many ways. God will
> choose to give which and to whom. Please read through
> 1Corinthians 12:1-11. (GIFTS FROM THE HOLY SPIRIT)
> And take note of 1Cor 12:11 "But
> all these worketh that one and the self-same
> Spirit,dividing into everyman severally as HE WILL"
> And again the faith to remain in Jesus is also given
> by the same spirit as is said in 1 Cor 12:9 "To
> another faith by the same spirit"
(I HAVE TO AGREE WITH YOU COZ YOU HAVE QUOTED THE RIGHT VERSES.
WHEREVER YOU HAVEN'T, I'VE PUT THE REFERENCE. ITS BETTER TO TRUST IN GOD'S
WORD THAN MANS WORD. REGARDING FAITH I'D SAY THAT WE ALL MUST HAVE FAITH IN
GOD. HEBREWS 11:6 SAYS,' WITHOUT FAITH IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO PLEASE GOD,...' )
GEORGE.
> I hope now u can understand how a grown up man can be
> born again. There must be somebody who can help u much
> better.
> And if i am wrong anywhere please do correct me.
>
> Thanks
> Love in Jesus
> Jannet
> Trivandrum.
>
> nandes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi
> >
> > Jose has raised an important question here.
> >
> > I too would like to put up a question regarding the
> > same. But before that
> > I'll put some verses here.
> > Ephesians 4:3-6 says, 'Do your best to preserve the
> > unity which the spirit
> > gives by means of the peace that binds you together.
> > There is one body and
> > one spirit, just as there is one hope to which God
> > has called you. There is
> > one Lord, one faith, one baptism; there is one God
> > and Father of all people,
> > who is Lord of all, works through all, and is in
> > all.
> >
> > We see that we have one Father for all and we are to
> > preserve our unity or
> > should I say we are supposed to be united. By we I
> > mean all those who
> > believe in Christ and are his followers. So why
> > don't we see one body of
> > Christ. Why are there so many denominations? The
> > Bible tells us to be
> > seperated from darkness, but not from each other.
> > The body is not complete
> > unless all are together.
> >
> > Lets look at what Jesus has prayed for us in John
> > chapter 17. Read the full
> > chapter when you open the Bible, but I type here
> > verses 20&21 "I pray not
> > only for them, but also for those who believe in me
> > because of their
> > message. I pray that they may all be one. Father!
> > May they be in us, just as
> > you are in me and I am in you. May they be one, so
> > that the world will
> > believe that you sent me."
> >
> > Friends, Jesus has prayed for all those who believe
> > in Him to be one. But
> > its a fact that we have so many denominations/sects.
> > Where did they come
> > from? Its true that there are differences in
> > doctrines between sects, but
> > are they based on the Bible. Can someone show in the
> > Bible where is
> > Catholic, Presbytarian, Methodist, Adventist, etc...
> >
> >
> > Jose has written about Billy Graham being from the
> > born again sect. Hey I
> > know that Jesus has used the word born again in John
> > 3:3. Jesus answered, "I
> > am telling you the truth: no one can see the kingdom
> > of God, without being
> > born again." Why did Jesus say that? How can a
> > grown man be born
> > again-This is exactly what Nicodemus asked Jesus.
> > Again I quote what Jesus
> > said in Jon3:6&7 'A person is born physically of
> > human parents, but is born
> > spiritually of the Spirit. Do not be surprised
> > because I tell you that you
> > must all be born again.' What I say here is being
> > born again is Biblical and
> > its also following what Jesus has himself commanded.
> >
> > Do share what you feel, preferably with Bible
> > references.
> >
> > Thanks & God Bless You.
> >
> > George.
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jose Paul Martin
> > [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 9:14 AM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: FWD: RE: [JOYnet] salvation
> > >
> > > Hi Guys,
> > >
> > > I don't know if you noticed this... but what I
> > gave below is not Catholic
> > > Teaching... I just wanted to share it with you so
> > u can understand as to
> > > how others are thinking about Salvation.
> > >
> > > Billy Graham is a well-known evangelist in U.S.
> > and also in the world...
> > > however(unfortunately!) he is from the *Born
> > Again* sect - not that I have
> > > anything against them - but they do not follow
> > catholic doctrine...
> > >
> > > Mathew, do you think you can compile something
> > like your previous email on
> > > Salvation for Islam,Hinduism, Buddism etc...
> > something for the differences
> > > among the various Christian denominations... so
> > that JOYNetters may know
> > > the differences...???
> > >
> > > luv
> > > jpm
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, Jose Paul Martin wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I just came across this article at Billy
> > Grahams' site,... amazingly
> > > enough - this was a recent topic on his site...
> > > >
> > > > luv
> > > > jpm
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Monday July 2, 2001
> > > > Dear Mr. Graham:
> > > > Is it possible for a person to believe in Christ
> > but then later turn his
> > > back on Christ and lose his salvation? I worry
> > that this will happen to me
> > > because I'm not as strong in my faith as I used to
> > be. -- H.L.S.
> > > >
> > > > Dear H.L.S. :
> > > > I am convinced that a person who has truly and
> > honestly come to Christ
> > > is saved forever. Jesus said of those who believe
> > in Him, "I give them
> > > eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one
> > can snatch them out of
> > > my hand" (John 10:28).
> > > >
> > > > Never forget that our salvation depends only on
> > Christ, and not on our
> > > own goodness. We can never earn our salvation by
> > our good works; only
> > > Christ through His death on the cross makes our
> > salvation possible. Satan
> > > always wants us to look at ourselves and our
> > failures, but Christ alone is
> > > our hope, for He paid the price for our sins --
> > fully and freely. The
> > > Bible says, "For it is by grace you have been
> > saved, through faith. . .
> > > not by works" (Ephesians 2:8-9).
> > > >
> > > > At the same time, the Bible warns us about
> > turning away from Him. A
> > > person who claims to be a Christian but then turns
> > away from Christ may
> > > not have been committed to Him in the first place;
> > he or she knew the
> > > truth but was not really committed to it. The
> > Bible solemnly warns, "If we
> > > deliberately keep on sinning after we have
> > received the knowledge of the
> > > truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a
> > fearful expectation of
> > > judgment" (Hebrews 10:26-27).
> > > >
> > > > Make sure of your commitment to Christ -- and
> > then take steps to
> > > strengthen your relationship with Him. Make prayer
> > and the Bible part of
> > > your life every day, and become active in a church
> > where Christ is
> > > preached and lived. If we starve ourselves
> > spiritually we will grow weak
> > > -- but as we make use of the spiritual "food" God
> > gives us, we will grow
> > > stronger spiritually. The Bible says, "Come near
> > to God and he will come
> > > near to you" (James 4:8).
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jose Paul Martin, Bahrain
> > > )))Jesus Never Fails !(((
> > >
> > >
> >
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