Diego, I think you're still not quite understanding what Dave is suggesting.
He is *not* saying everyone running jQuery would be subjected to these checks. He *is* saying there is a completely new build of jQuery (let's call it jQuery-1.4.lint.js) that a developer could *choose* to run against just to test out their code. And in the documentation, it could be strongly urged that new developers try this at least once. Heck, let's take it a step farther... how about jquery-1.4.newb.js that has some sort of 'tutorial' built in when it sees bad practices? At least that's how I've interpreted it :) _jason On Jan 15, 11:02 am, Diego Perini <diego.per...@gmail.com> wrote: > Dave, > I completely agree with Andrea Raimondi above and everything he said > make sense to me. > > Why should we inflict these no sense conditionals onto everybody. > Should we then check every parameter of every method too, just to be > helpful to one people not remembering signatures or lazy to lookup a > documentation page ? > > Not useful, none of those checks should be in core, if necessary, for > DBJ and people needing that, an external checker will be ok, I would > not like to be the one writing that though :-) Those writing $('*') > should be returned what they asked, it is "incorrect" to assume > everybody is a beginner and "time wasting" trying to guess what they > would do with those selectors. > > Diego > > On 15 Gen, 18:31, Dave Methvin <dave.meth...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > "Not technically demanding" uh? > > > I beg to differ on this one. > > > Conceptually it's a simple idea: Inspect the parameters being passed > > to jQuery and its methods, then see if they match the API signature > > and follow good practice. I started on it years ago but punted (hides > > head in shame) because it was a lot of work, especially at that time > > when the jQuery API was changing > > quickly:http://markmail.org/message/wzkosk2s5jklpkv4 > > > > First of all, what would the criteria be? > > > Whatever the author thought was bad practice or a possible mistake. If > > you've ever used the original jslint (http://www.jslint.com/) or the > > (imo) better javascriptlint (http://www.javascriptlint.com/), you know > > that lint occasionally complains about things that are not outright > > errors but sometimes indicate problems or are just bad style. The $ > > ("*") case that dbj mentioned is a good one. It's not an error but it > > is generally not good to do something to every element on the page. I > > also would flag the case of $("myid") versus the intended $("#myid") > > on non-xml docs if the selector didn't return any elements--that's a > > mistake I make a few times a month. > > > > pretty much all of the JQuery classes and functions can use > > > server side tags and code. > > > I think dbj was proposing runtime analysis, not static analysis as > > used with tools like jslint. By the time the jQuery code is called, > > any server-side tags and code is irrelevant for the kind of checks > > you'd want to do. > > > > The library has *no* knowledge(and rightfully so, imho) of what tags > > > and/or selectors will be used. > > > True, so the messages it gives aren't going to be 100% correct in all > > cases. That's okay, the developer needs to look at the messages and > > decide whether it's found a problem or not. The volume of messages > > could be controllable via options. See the lints above for examples of > > how to do it. > > > > This would slow things down *A LOT* with many checks. > > > Performance could definitely be an issue; if the page gets 10 times > > slower with jquery-lint, people aren't likely to use it regularly for > > day-to-day development. But even if it *was* 10 times slower, it could > > still be useful because when people come to a forum complaining their > > code doesn't work we could point them to jquery-lint.js and tell them > > to look for problems using that first. > > > > Fourth: plug-ins would have to do the same checks. > > > A plugin author could certainly write a linted version of their own > > code, but if they include jquery-lint.js in the page the plugin will > > automatically get the lint features for any jQuery methods it calls. > > > > Fifth: *ANYONE* using improper selectors or using JQuery improperly > > > deserves his/her fate. Reading the docs is the first thing you should do. > > > It's easy to make mistakes, even if the docs are good and you read > > them well. As I said in that old thread, "I would be embarrassed to > > tell you how many times I've said $("myid") when I meant $("#myid") > > and spent 10 minutes trying to figure out what was broken." A lint > > tool helps find those mistakes, and people can learn things by reading > > its advice which is always a good thing. It's like a code review in a > > Javascript file.
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