For Jake Verbaten, I would say it's not even a vast collection of lazy people that is blame. I would say it's the conventions supplied by jQuery where certain underperforming conventions that are a pain in the ass to natively are made simple by jQuery. Furthermore this simplicity encourages reuse, which in programming is typically fantastic, however reusing slow underperforming conventions benefits only lazy programmers. As an example take a selector system that encourages use of a hierarchy of class values. This example is a pain in the ass to write natively, which is good, because its slow.
For Nick Morgan, If you are so slow in your ability to write to the DOM and test the results cross browser so as to quantify an employer's waste of time then perhaps you are need more practice in your core competencies as a front-end developer. Encouraging alternative practices to avoid incompetence in fundamental areas may not be bad practice except when done in ignorance of what the pitfalls are. Knowing there are differences in DOM interpretation cross browser is not good enough on its own. You have to know what problems you are avoiding and if there are costs in using the alternative practice as well as costs to the product quality in using any alternative approach. This is a basic risk analysis. I generally find it's less costly to avoid the management complications and hidden costs that come with additional layers of abstraction regardless of the employer's time wasted in weeding through the fundamental difficulties of the technology. Thanks, Austin Cheney, CISSP From: jsmentors@googlegroups.com [mailto:jsmentors@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jake Verbaten Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 5:14 AM To: jsmentors@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [JSMentors] Studying Javascript....Need help..badly.. It's not jquery that makes you lazy. It's the community of jQuery developers that promotes being lazy, because you can just use jQuery as a hammer to solve all your problems. I second avoiding jQuery, merely so you don't have to deal with "jQuery developers". And thats not the core team, they know what they are doing. It's the average developer who uses jQuery and doesnt understand anything of the layers beneath. They are the ones spreading misinformation. On Nov 8, 2011 4:49 AM, "Rey Bango" <reyba...@gmail.com<mailto:reyba...@gmail.com>> wrote: No, jQuery does not make developers lazy. Developers make themselves lazy by not taking the initiative to learn more. I'm a member of the jQuery team and I *always* preach learning JavaScript and leveraging jQuery as a complement to the language, not a replacement. Rey... On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 9:08 AM, Amit Agarwal <lifea...@gmail.com<mailto:lifea...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > -1 to jQuery. Librari... -- To view archived discussions from the original JSMentors Mailman list: http://www.mail-archive.com/jsmentors@jsmentors.com/ To search via a non-Google archive, visit here: http://www.mail-archive.com/jsmentors@googlegroups.com/ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to jsmentors+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com -- To view archived discussions from the original JSMentors Mailman list: http://www.mail-archive.com/jsmentors@jsmentors.com/ To search via a non-Google archive, visit here: http://www.mail-archive.com/jsmentors@googlegroups.com/ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to jsmentors+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
