Chris Bell wrote: When you open up the eq in the inspector pane, you
get 4
bands of parametric eq, but when you insert it as a plug-in you get 6
bands
of parametric.
Phil replied: not true. In both instances you get 6 bands of EQ.
However,
if you use the EQ in the track inspector in the track/bus view then,
you can
only see 4 bands of the EQ in the track inspector as only 4 of them are
automatable. In other words, only controls that are automatable are
shown
in the track inspector. You can still get at all 6 bands of EQ in the
Track/Bus EQ dialog boxes though with HotSpotClicker. Chris, me
thinks you
may wish to take a little more time out to study Sonar's architecture
before
posting inaccurate stuff like this, especially if you're teaching
students.
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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf
Of Chris Belle
Sent: 10 July 2010 15:04
To: JSonar -- JAWS Scripts for Sonar list
Subject: Re: [Jsonar] How to tell what frequency range on a band
audio is
in.
They are actually the same.
When you open up the eq in the inspector pane, you get 4 bands of
parametric
eq, but when you insert it as a plug-in you get 6 bands of parametric.
But you need to use hotspot clicker, or my auto-hot scripts or ct to
access
the plug-in directly.
You can actually see the numbers in there with your mouse cursor, but
unless
you know what goes with what, it's confusing.
with a parametric you have gain cut, filter type, cue or width, and
frequency to play with, a lot more complicated than a graphic, I
always try
to have people start out with a graphic to get started much simpler
to get
your head around.
eAt 05:46 AM 7/10/2010, you wrote:
>Would you use the track eq or use sonitus eq?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
>Behalf Of joe
>Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 5:10 AM
>To: JSonar -- JAWS Scripts for Sonar list
>Subject: Re: [Jsonar] How to tell what frequency range on a band audio
>is in.
>
>
>Also Andy, don't get too caught up in the numbers, that comes later,
>learn how to get the sound you like then worry about the maths of it
>all, As Chriss says just experiment with a full range sound like a
>complete mix and pull different frequencies in and out, you'll hear the
>difference and then next time when you've a mix problem you'll have the
>beginnings of the anser before you touch a thing.
>with sonar, import some auido in to a track, then open up your track
>eq, then say set the db amout to something quite high say plus 12 or
>minus 12 then move the frequency around you'll soon hear what's going
>on. Joe
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Chris Belle" <[email protected]>
>To: "JSonar -- JAWS Scripts for Sonar list" <[email protected]>
>Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 6:01 AM
>Subject: Re: [Jsonar] How to tell what frequency range on a band audio
>is in.
>
>
> > No Andy, it's called ability, training and talent 'grin'.
> >
> > Just like people can see colors and differences, ;your ear can hear
> > different frequencies, or some folks can.
> >
> > If you have any ability there, you can train ;your ears by practice
> > to hear them.
> >
> > Working with a parametric and or graphic eq, you can find offending
> > frequencies and taylor them to fit better, or enhance others to be
> > more prominent, etc.
> >
> > This is what an engineer does, and your exactly right, making
> > instruments and vocals sit in a mix with proper eq is one of the
> > very fundamentals of getting a great sound.
> >
> > I'll give you a hint.
> >
> > Equalizers work better on cut than boost, that is they are better at
> > pulling out too much of a bad frequency than they are at boosting
> > not enough of frequencies you want.
> >
> > so when you are first using an eq, you should do as much as you can
> > to eliminate the bad stuff.
> >
> > Try first with a simple tool like a 10 band graphic, rather than a
> > parametric, parametrics can be tricky, and are more advanced, but
> > take a broad band signal like a full mix or even just a vocal and
> > pull
>
> > down different bands, and see what effect it has on them.
> >
> > here are more hints, and we'll ;use a vocal for an example because
> > it's one of the most troublesome things to eq right.
> >
> > Most anything below 100 hertz on a vocal won't be heard, maybe some
> > subtle harmonic re-enforcement but that's all, and probably a lot of
> > noise down there, depending on your gear and room.
> >
> > From 100 to 350 are your low mids, the warmth in your vocal, but can
> > also be where the mud is, so cutting this down can make your vocal
> > stand out more, from 500 to 2k is the mid band, that's your
> > telephone effect, but also some of your mid band clarity, and needs
> > special attention.
> >
> > From 3k to 6 k is your vocal definition and clarity, but can also
> > make it harsh, and also have some sibalance s sounds, especially
> > around the 6k range, so using a d s compressor can help a lot, I
> > like a bright vocal to stand out in a mix, but then when i get it
> > bright enough, i get too much sibalance, so the d s procesing fixes
> > it.
> >
> > An;ything above 8k is what we call air, or high shimmer, and can
> > make a vocal sound bigger and more full, open, but can also add
> > hiss, and also in
>
> > the lower range of the 8 to 10k is also where some s sibalance lives
> > too, so care must be taken.
> >
> > A basic 10 band graphic eq will give you a basic handle on these
> > frequencies and what they do, then ;you can get in to the wonder
> > full world of parametric eq and deal with q or width, shelves, peak
> > dip or band
>
> > pass, and high pass and low pass and all those goodies,
you
> > really get to do microscopic surgery then 'grin'.
> >
> > I of course am available for low priced friendly tutoring any time,
> > I'm jus the guy for good value for not so deep pockets, and nothing
> > beats years of experience and lots of great mixes under the belt.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 03:59 PM 7/9/2010, you wrote:
> >>Hi.
> >>
> >>I am reading a book that mentions that different types of audio,
> >>mainly musical instruments and vocals sit in a particular frequency
> >>range on an eq band. My question is: How do you tell what the actual
> >>frequency range of an audio clip is in? I.E. I drop an audio
> >>clip/track into Sonar (8.5.3). Now, before I change the frequency
> >>ranges on it, how can I tell what its actual range happens to be? Or
> >>is this just some guesswork?
> >>
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