The track eq built into sonar doesn't have a plugin window does it? -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ivan Fegundez Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 4:59 PM To: JSonar -- JAWS Scripts for Sonar list Subject: Re: [Jsonar] How to tell what frequency range on a band audio is in.
>From what I understand, the only way to get at the other 2 bands is to use the eq from the pluggin diolog. You can't get them in the track inspector ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy B." <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; "'JSonar -- JAWS Scripts for Sonar list'" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [Jsonar] How to tell what frequency range on a band audio is in. > How do you get at the other 2 bands with HSC then? > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf > Of Phil Muir > Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 3:34 PM > To: 'JSonar -- JAWS Scripts for Sonar list' > Subject: Re: [Jsonar] How to tell what frequency range on a band audio is > in. > > > Chris Bell wrote: When you open up the eq in the inspector pane, you > get 4 bands of parametric eq, but when you insert it as a plug-in you > get 6 bands of parametric. > > Phil replied: not true. In both instances you get 6 bands of EQ. > However, > if you use the EQ in the track inspector in the track/bus view then, you > can > only see 4 bands of the EQ in the track inspector as only 4 of them are > automatable. In other words, only controls that are automatable are shown > in the track inspector. You can still get at all 6 bands of EQ in the > Track/Bus EQ dialog boxes though with HotSpotClicker. Chris, me thinks > you > may wish to take a little more time out to study Sonar's architecture > before > posting inaccurate stuff like this, especially if you're teaching > students. > > Regards, Phil Muir > Accessibility Training > Telephone: US (615) 713-2021 > UK +44-1747-821-794 > Mobile: UK +44-7968-136-246 > E-mail: > [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > URL: > http://www.accessibilitytraining.co.uk/ > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf > Of Chris Belle > Sent: 10 July 2010 15:04 > To: JSonar -- JAWS Scripts for Sonar list > Subject: Re: [Jsonar] How to tell what frequency range on a band audio is > in. > > They are actually the same. > > When you open up the eq in the inspector pane, you get 4 bands of > parametric > eq, but when you insert it as a plug-in you get 6 bands of parametric. > > But you need to use hotspot clicker, or my auto-hot scripts or ct to > access > the plug-in directly. > > You can actually see the numbers in there with your mouse cursor, but > unless > you know what goes with what, it's confusing. > > with a parametric you have gain cut, filter type, cue or width, and > frequency to play with, a lot more complicated than a graphic, I > always try to have people start out with a graphic to get started much > simpler to get your head around. > > > eAt 05:46 AM 7/10/2010, you wrote: >>Would you use the track eq or use sonitus eq? >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>Behalf Of joe >>Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 5:10 AM >>To: JSonar -- JAWS Scripts for Sonar list >>Subject: Re: [Jsonar] How to tell what frequency range on a band audio >>is in. >> >> >>Also Andy, don't get too caught up in the numbers, that comes later, >>learn how to get the sound you like then worry about the maths of it >>all, As Chriss says just experiment with a full range sound like a >>complete mix and pull different frequencies in and out, you'll hear >>the difference and then next time when you've a mix problem you'll >>have the beginnings of the anser before you touch a thing. with sonar, >>import some auido in to a track, then open up your track eq, then say >>set the db amout to something quite high say plus 12 or minus 12 then >>move the frequency around you'll soon hear what's going on. Joe >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Chris Belle" <[email protected]> >>To: "JSonar -- JAWS Scripts for Sonar list" <[email protected]> >>Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 6:01 AM >>Subject: Re: [Jsonar] How to tell what frequency range on a band audio >>is in. >> >> >> > No Andy, it's called ability, training and talent 'grin'. >> > >> > Just like people can see colors and differences, ;your ear can hear >> > different frequencies, or some folks can. >> > >> > If you have any ability there, you can train ;your ears by practice >> > to hear them. >> > >> > Working with a parametric and or graphic eq, you can find offending >> > frequencies and taylor them to fit better, or enhance others to be >> > more prominent, etc. >> > >> > This is what an engineer does, and your exactly right, making >> > instruments and vocals sit in a mix with proper eq is one of the >> > very fundamentals of getting a great sound. >> > >> > I'll give you a hint. >> > >> > Equalizers work better on cut than boost, that is they are better >> > at pulling out too much of a bad frequency than they are at >> > boosting not enough of frequencies you want. >> > >> > so when you are first using an eq, you should do as much as you can >> > to eliminate the bad stuff. >> > >> > Try first with a simple tool like a 10 band graphic, rather than a >> > parametric, parametrics can be tricky, and are more advanced, but >> > take a broad band signal like a full mix or even just a vocal and >> > pull >> >> > down different bands, and see what effect it has on them. >> > >> > here are more hints, and we'll ;use a vocal for an example because >> > it's one of the most troublesome things to eq right. >> > >> > Most anything below 100 hertz on a vocal won't be heard, maybe some >> > subtle harmonic re-enforcement but that's all, and probably a lot >> > of noise down there, depending on your gear and room. >> > >> > From 100 to 350 are your low mids, the warmth in your vocal, but >> > can also be where the mud is, so cutting this down can make your >> > vocal stand out more, from 500 to 2k is the mid band, that's your >> > telephone effect, but also some of your mid band clarity, and needs >> > special attention. >> > >> > From 3k to 6 k is your vocal definition and clarity, but can also >> > make it harsh, and also have some sibalance s sounds, especially >> > around the 6k range, so using a d s compressor can help a lot, I >> > like a bright vocal to stand out in a mix, but then when i get it >> > bright enough, i get too much sibalance, so the d s procesing fixes >> > it. >> > >> > An;ything above 8k is what we call air, or high shimmer, and can >> > make a vocal sound bigger and more full, open, but can also add >> > hiss, and also in >> >> > the lower range of the 8 to 10k is also where some s sibalance >> > lives too, so care must be taken. >> > >> > A basic 10 band graphic eq will give you a basic handle on these >> > frequencies and what they do, then ;you can get in to the wonder >> > full world of parametric eq and deal with q or width, shelves, peak >> > dip or band >> >> > pass, and high pass and low pass and all those goodies, you >> > really get to do microscopic surgery then 'grin'. >> > >> > I of course am available for low priced friendly tutoring any time, >> > I'm jus the guy for good value for not so deep pockets, and nothing >> > beats years of experience and lots of great mixes under the belt. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > At 03:59 PM 7/9/2010, you wrote: >> >>Hi. >> >> >> >>I am reading a book that mentions that different types of audio, >> >>mainly musical instruments and vocals sit in a particular frequency >> >>range on an eq band. My question is: How do you tell what the >> >>actual frequency range of an audio clip is in? I.E. I drop an audio >> >>clip/track into Sonar (8.5.3). 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