Well, for someone who has no problem with the gospel, you never miss
a chance to fire a misle at it.
And to me personally, you never miss a chance to judge,
or try to verbally ensnare me in ;your interpretation of what the
bible is supposed to be all about.
for a non-believer, why do you spend so much energy trying to make
believers look bad?
If most atheists were kind, empathetic people,
which I have met some that are, then I could go along with some of
this live and let live, but most of you aren't, casting scorn and
trying to find fault with all us believers.
Well, I see no shame in being a fraille human being who needs a redeemer.
And my friend, with out some sort of absolute moral
reference, everything becomes relativeism.
YOu deceive yourself.
us christians are no more righteous or better than you, that's where
you guys make the mistake.
Don't even expect us to be,
because we have the same flaws as all fallen man kind does.
the difference is is that we have a redeemer and we are made holy.
This is my last post on the topic too,
and Chris, if you want to portray yourself as being empathetic and
winning points for your word view, don't fire any more pot shots at
christians publically on email lists,
and being empathetic doesn't mean riling someone up about something
sensitive just because you can.
I count it little enough to sacrifice to stand up for my faith,
because there's always that one chance for a seed to be planted.
If one person doesn't go to hell because of that, well, they can kick
me of all the email lists,
I'll never stop talking about jesus,
I'll never rub it in anyone's face, but when someone challenges me,
I will not back down about eternal differences,
even
with someone who i don't get along with, because eternity is a long
time my friend.
So this is where i stand,
in his loving grip, flaws and all.
t 12:55 PM 9/21/2010, you wrote:
At 01:09 PM 9/21/2010, you wrote:
But it's well known you've never missed a chance on these email
lists to cause trouble with me.
Yes, because it's so easy to rile you up!
Well, I'm fine with my god, the question is, are you?
No, I'm not, but you of course have every right to believe in him.
As to whether hsecular humanists can still be good socially
responsible and empathic people with clearly defined values and
morals, I suggest you check out a book that thoroughly explores the topic.
http://www.amazon.com/Can-We-Good-Without-God/dp/1573929743
And, not being an American, I offer the following quotations from
your founding fathers, who were quite concerned about any one
religion becoming overly dominant or connected to political power:
"The United States is in no sense founded upon the Christian
doctrine." George Washington
"It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods
or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."
Thomas Jefferson
"I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by
the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the
Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of, My own mind is
my own church." Thomas Paine
"I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature."
Thomas Jefferson
"The Bible is not my book, and Christianity is not my religion. I
could never give assent to the long, complicated statements Of
Christian dogma."
Abraham Lincoln
and, this is my last post on the topic. May the thread die a quick death.
Chris
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