Well, ideally (IMHO) the reference implementation would come from the group
doing the standard, but given Sun's position as both standards body *and*
vendor in this, I guess that's impossible.
Ted Neward
Java Instructor, DevelopMentor ( http://www.develop.com )
http://www.javageeks.com/~tneward
-----Original Message-----
From: Ronald van Kuijk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Scott Ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Ted Neward
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 7:44 AM
Subject: Re: Tomcat-as-a-reference implementation?
>But what about the watchdog part
(http://jakarta.apache.org/watchdog/index.html) of
>Tomcat then? I think it is better to develop a reference platform
independently of
>one vendor. Sun, IBM and others are involved in Tomcat/Watchdog.
>
>Ronald
>
>Scott Ferguson wrote:
>
>> Ted Neward wrote:
>>
>> > Does anybody else have a problem with a "production-quality" servlet
>> > engine also serving as the reference implementation for servlets
>> > and/or JSP? I have always operated under the belief that a "reference
>> > implementation" was supposed to be plain-vanilla, no optimizations,
>> > stick-to-the-letter-of-the-spec,
>> > if-it-ain't-in-the-spec-it-ain't-in-here kind of implementation. JSWDK
>> > was precisely this--it demonstrated servlets simply, cleanly (IMHO),
>> > without a lot of bells-n-whistles to get in the way. My concern is
>> > that Sun's stated intent (by calling it a reference implementation) is
>> > at cross-purposes with Apache's stated intent (to make it a
>> > production-quality engine). These are, for the most part,
>> > mutually-exclusive goals.
>>
>> <vendor-bias>
>> Tomcat isn't really a reference implementation. It's the Apache group's
>> servlet implementation. Sun has chosen, for its own reasons, to select
>> the Apache group as its preferred servlet vendor. Calling Tomcat a
>> "reference implementation" is just marketing fluff.
>>
>> Orion is a better reference implementation than Tomcat in the sense of
>> "if my implementation doesn't do the same thing, then it's probably
>> wrong." Orion implements the specs more faithfully than Tomcat does.
>>
>> Unfortunately, this diminishes Sun's credibility as an impartial
>> standards arbiter, but that's Sun's choice. Microsoft doesn't even
>> pretend to be impartial with its ASP standard, and it's rather
>> successful, so maybe it's not a bad decision.
>> </vendor-bias>
>>
>> Scott Ferguson
>> Caucho Technology
>>
>>
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