Try www.alltel.com. Click on Shop Online. The front end of e-store
application is jsp pages. The site is slow because of Network problems.
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Subject: Re: My boss needs convincing.
Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jesse Clark) at internet
Date: 3/5/00 7:25 PM
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Was unaware of broadvision server. Thanks for correcting.
-jesse
> From: "Thor HW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 11:22:46 -0800
> To: "Jesse Clark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Re: My boss needs convincing.
>
> Not every page ending in .jsp is a Java Server Page. There is, from the
> looks of it fairly popular, server that uses server-side javascript. All of
> it's pages end with jsp. There have been a few sites sent to this list as
> JavaServerPages, that have turned out to be JavaScriptPages. I believe the
> company is called broadvision.
> So, just because it ends in jsp, don't assume that it is a JavaServerPage.
> Thor HW
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jesse Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, March 03, 2000 7:14 PM
> Subject: Re: My boss needs convincing.
>
>
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>>> Ask him to visit Shockwave.com
>>> http://www.shockwave.com/bin/shockwave/main/frame_set.jsp
>>> <http://www.shockwave.com/bin/shockwave/main/frame_set.jsp> They use
> JSP
>>> there and not slow.
>>> Dennis
>>
>>>> Is not this page written in Javascript?
>>>> Vadim Shun
>>
>> They use javascript on the page for browser detection and shockwave
> version
>> detection and ad rotation, but since the file ends in .jsp one can assume
>> that they are somehow dynamically generating some of the HTML and possibly
>> some of the javascript that you see in the source. This site is not
>> neccessarily the best example of JSP in action because the bulk of the
>> performance is coming from shockwave.
>>
>> At the very bottom of this page:
>> http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/industry.html there is a list of web
> sites
>> powered by .jsp that includes some more traditional type businesses.
>>
>>>> Has anybody seen convincing benchmarks proving JSP superiority in
>>>> performance or reliability?
>>>> That would make the point, otherwise the arguments for JSP are based on
>>>> religious beliefs in Java, and that does not sit well with some bosses,
> as
>>>> some noted.
>>>> Vadim Shun
>>
>> In regards to benchmarks of jsp performance vs. other server side
> solutions,
>> I have not come accross any myself (If anyone knows of a resource for this
>> plz post), but at least with asp vs jsp, jsp is going to be faster because
>> each page is only interpreted the first time that it is requested. ASP
> pages
>> get reinterpreted with every call (Check the archives, there was some
>> discussion on this a while back). I haven't used ColdFusion myself but I
>> have a good bit of experience waiting for pages to load on websites that
> are
>> implemented with it (and I'm on a T1).
>>
>> Another area that is going to affect performance is database access. As
> far
>> as this is concerned I only know the things to do to decrease overhead
> using
>> JDBC, but I have know idea how java stacks up against other server side
>> solutions in this area. Again, anyone have a resource? (I know its a
> little
>> off topic but it does affect overall performance in jsp/servlet/bean
> driven
>> web aps... -Oh, ok, ok. I'll go subscribe to JDBC-interest)
>>
>> _jesse
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Todd L. Poole [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2000 3:16 AM
>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Subject: My boss needs convincing.
>>>
>>>
>>> My boss seems to have the "software engineer" background and is
> continuously
>>> critical about web technology that I work with. I develop web
> application
>>> using ASP and a database alone. I am not using any of my own components.
>>>
>>> Since I am learning java, I am finding it easier to understand and more
>>> logical than Microsoft's programming languages. I would like to expand
> into
>>> using JSP, Servlets, and Beans, but my boss still thinks Java is slow
> and
>>> not as efficient as CGI programs written in C. I think he is full of it
> and
>>> I would like to go back to him with proven results from other people
> using
>>> this technology in a situation where load balancing is an issue.
>>>
>>> Until I am writing machine code - I will never please this guy, but I
> would
>>> like to prove him wrong just once with this.
>>>
>>> If you have any input, please share!
>>>
>>> Bored editing HTML pages....
>>>
>>> Todd
>>>
>>>
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