John is a member of this so-called "community" that has apparently been failed by ASF or is he? What has he done to help? Show me a list of patches or bug reports or even e-mails to the *community* he feels free to poke at from the _outside_.
Being such a wise student of life, you know better than most that its all about *experiencing*. Philosophizing is bullshit. *Being* what you preach is true enlightenment. Join that which you feel is evil. Embrace it. Help it.
Ya know John... patches always accepted! :)
Erik
On Feb 23, 2005, at 12:08 PM, Tim Colson (tcolson) wrote:
However, please note that the focus was on the ASF as an organization and how their (lack of) leadership has failed the entire community.
Howdy John, et. al....
I probably would have agreed/shared a lot of John's opinions on ASF... up until this week.
I've started talking with the chaps in Apache Infrastructure to try and help understand why wiki.apache.org runs an antiquated MoinMoin install and what I can do to help.
These dudes have jobs just like the rest of us, and yet they are flying
in from as far away as the UK (perhaps farther) to relocate servers to a
different colo facility and do some upgrades in person.
And I got to thinking, "Uh... yeah, it may be a mess...but what am *I*
doing to help? And uh, what organization have I -EVER- been a part of
that despite the best intentions, actually delivers on them? And why is
that? Are they all incompetent morons? Are they eeevil? Hmm... no,
probably they're [volunteer] humans... some smarter than others, some
with opinions stronger than others, some who can -donate- more time than
others... but in the end, a meritocracy probably is measured by
popularity... and by and large ASF's end product(s) are better than a
stick in the eye."
I think in long rambling sentences.
Normally I am not so charitable towards less than perfect organizations...but my head is softening after years of beating it against the walls. ;-)
Oh...Jetspeed and Tomcat still suck. <grin>
Cheers, Timo
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