Ha. Well, yeh there's that kind of fear too. :) Outside of the
infrastructure potential what's the benefit of slagging all
transactions through a Google API? Pleading ignorance here too - I
don't know squat about GWT - so the API notion could be way off.
Don't get me wrong this is a purely hypothetical question (not
intentionally loaded either). I'm really leading to the question of
whether or not to use GAEJ, or a hosting provider, or AWS, or...
Kit
BTW, Nick I noticed your "at Google" comment - and your email address
and find myself slightly puzzled.
On May 1, 2009, at 1:50 PM, nlesiecki wrote:
I'm afraid of Google. Deeply afraid. :)
Feel free to spread your debt around. GWT + Grails Backend? GWT +
Ruby on Rails Backend? (The latter is actually pretty close to what
my team is doing right now.)
Nick
On May 1, 2009, at 1:47 PM, Kit Plummer wrote:
Not saying that it is a valid concern, but does anyone else have a
Google-fear? There's just something about so much technical-debt
with a single provider that makes me nervous.
Surprised a bit on the GWT thing too. I'm not a GUI developer, let
alone a Javascript developer but it just seems like there are
better starting points. Having done a few things with Flex, I'm
not all that impressed there either. I do know that ExtJS is a
PITA...and it's licensing quagmire doesn't help.
Off topic for sure - Anybody tracking Capuccino?
Kit
On May 1, 2009, at 1:29 PM, nlesiecki wrote:
If only I could write GWT code in Groovy then I would be in
complete
Nirvana.
So, you'd want to write code in a dynamic language in the browser.
Hmm. Some would say that's what Javascript is for. :)
(Just imagine. Groovy compiling to Java compiling to Javascript.
VM optimization nightmare!)
Nick
On May 1, 2009, at 12:37 PM, Richard Hightower wrote:
I agree with Nick.
GAEJ/Grails/GWT
I'd want GWT on the frontend and GAEJ/Grails on the backend. I
would use
JPA/JDO talking to GAEJ datastore on the backend which I could
port to
another datastore if I needed.
This is very nascent and I have not deployed an real world app
yet. But if I
was working on a green field app. This would be something I would
consider.
I am working on an App that we are considering porting to GWT (it
is
currently a SpringMVC/Ajax web app). I plan on writing a
prototype graphing
package to show what is possible with GWT.
I am writing a series of articles on Google App Engine for Java
for IBM. I
love the idea of it. GWT on the front end makes a lot of sense to
me. I
prefer programming in Java and like the open nature of GWT (third
party OS
components seem to abound).
The Groovy/Grails guy just added support for Grails running on
GAEJ so if I
could put that into the mix even better.
If only I could write GWT code in Groovy then I would be in
complete
Nirvana.
On 4/30/09 10:52 PM, "Nick Lesiecki" <ndlesie...@yahoo.com> wrote:
java on app engine. If I didn't want to use AppEngine, I'd still
do
GWT with a GWT RPC backend on the serverside. Ajax apps with RPC
to
the server is the *only* way to develop web applications.
Disclaimer, I didn't write GWT, and I have more than a few
complaints
about it. But it's architecture is the future of web app
development.
Period.
No comment on storage. We do things differently at Google, so
I'm out
of touch with "normal". We have concerns like: "is it redundant
in the
face of two simultaneous data center outages?"
Nick
On Apr 30, 2009, at 4:12 PM, Warner Onstine wrote:
There are Java options for this, but why go with imitators :P?
There's FeatherDB - http://code.google.com/p/featherdb/
Project Voldemort - http://project-voldemort.com/
And I'm sure others. But I'm sticking with CouchDB as I think
it has a
lot of strengths that the Java versions might not (Concurrency,
Distributable out of the box, etc.).
-warner
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Andrew Lenards
<andrew.lena...@gmail.com> wrote:
I fell victim to CouchDB's April Fools joke last year:
http://damienkatz.net/2008/04/couchdb_language_change.html
But it could have been two of three if that was true.
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Warner Onstine <warn...@gmail.com
>
wrote:
I guess that's one out of three Java :P.
-warner
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Warner Onstine
<warn...@gmail.com> wrote:
Grails, with Flex and CouchDB.
-warner
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Andrew Lenards
<andrew.lena...@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm curious for the opinion of the list. If you started a
project to
build
a web application today, what would you Java technology-
stack be?
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