Right now I'm a bit undecided, the usage of ReviewBoard is too fresh. But
Jesse made good points and in general Im always happy when we're using less
instead of using more tools. I can live with the number of mails, GMail
does grouping them fine. And I started to add my comments after a first
pass through a PR. My greatest weakness so far has been the missing
side-by-side diff, thankfully GitHub addressed this.

So I'm with Jesse and will go with the team if we decide to use
ReviewBoard, but I prefer returning to a GitHub based process as it is know
in many other communities too.

mue


On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 9:20 AM, roger peppe <roger.pe...@canonical.com>
wrote:

> On 19 September 2014 01:32, David Cheney <david.che...@canonical.com>
> wrote:
> > There were three problem reviewboard was supposed to address, review
> > comments are sent immediately, no side by side diffs, and no way to to
> > chained proposals.
> >
> > I think that over the last few months we've all learnt to live with
> > the first issue
> >
> > On the second, github now does nice side by side diffs.
> >
> > On the third, it appears reviewboard leaves you solidly to your own
> > devices to implement chained proposals.
> >
> > I'm with Jesse, I vote to stop using reviewboard, I don't think it's
> > paying it's way.
>
> The main thing I was hoping to get from reviewboard that's
> a constant pain to me in github was the ability to look
> at new changes in the context of old comments, to see
> where and how those comments have been addressed.
>
> So, assuming reviewboard did address that issue, I'm a
> bit sad but I think Jesse makes a very
> good point about keeping things mainstream.
>
> I guess there's the potential for some third party tool
> to address my issue above.
>
> So I agree that it might be better to cut losses here and embrace
> github, even if it is awkward in some ways.
>
>   cheers,
>     rog.
>
> > On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 10:19 AM, Jesse Meek <jesse.m...@canonical.com>
> wrote:
> >> We moved to GitHub in the hope of lowering the bar to contributors
> outside
> >> the team. GitHub is *the* platform and process for open source software.
> >> This was the logic behind the move. It was deemed to have the most
> mindshare
> >> and we sacrificed our prefered platform and process to be part of that
> >> mindshare.
> >>
> >> We are now leaving that 'main stream' process to something that suits
> the
> >> tastes of our team - ReviewBoard. This adds friction for new
> contributors
> >> (friction everyone has experienced this week). If we value our preferred
> >> methods of reviewing over keeping to a well known process for outside
> >> contributors, the best process was launchpad + rietveld. Shouldn't we
> simply
> >> return to that.
> >>
> >> Considering we have been successfully using GitHub for several months
> now,
> >> using reviewboard is not a necessity. Obviously, I will go with
> whatever the
> >> team decides, but I'm concerned that we have moved to reviewboard
> without
> >> considering that it undermines (as far as I can see) our primary reason
> for
> >> using GitHub.
> >>
> >> Jess
> >>
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