While agreeing with the spirit of your email, Cheryl, I'd like to opine that in the long-term fixing flaky tests will improve the code and help to fix (and prevent!) bugs.
Put another way, flaky tests are indirectly causing pain for our users. On 03/28/2016 10:24 AM, Cheryl Jennings wrote: > These intermittently failing unit tests are often due to unreliable > unit tests, rather than problems in the code. As nice as it would be > to not have to retry tests (particularly unit tests), I'd much rather > we spend our precious resources on fixing bugs that are causing pain > for our users. > > There are currently 168 Triaged bugs targeted against 2.0-beta4 [0], > many of which have been reported by actual users and have been > deferred release after release. For comparison, there are 18 go 1.5 > /1.6 bugs found by CI. > > Thanks, > -Cheryl > > [0] https://launchpad.net/juju-core/+milestone/2.0-beta4 > > On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 9:08 AM, Nate Finch <nate.fi...@canonical.com > <mailto:nate.fi...@canonical.com>> wrote: > > +1, don't retry... devs need to feel the pain in order to get > proper motivation to fix this stuff... > > On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 9:03 AM Katherine Cox-Buday > <katherine.cox-bu...@canonical.com > <mailto:katherine.cox-bu...@canonical.com>> wrote: > > Just wanted to say thank you 100x to all involved! > > On 03/24/2016 01:03 AM, Michael Hudson-Doyle wrote: > > Hi, > > > > As of a few minutes ago, there is now a golang-1.6 package in > > trusty-proposed: > > https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+source/golang-1.6 > (thanks for the > > review and copy, Steve). > > > > One difference between this and the package I prepared > earlier is that > > it does not install /usr/bin/go but rather > /usr/lib/go-1.6/bin/go so > > Makefiles and such will need to be adjusted to invoke that > directly or > > put /usr/lib/go-1.6/bin on $PATH or whatever. (This also > means it can > > be installed alongside the golang packages that are already in > > trusty). > > > > Cheers, > > mwh > > (Hoping that we can now really properly ignore gccgo-4.9 > ppc64el bugs!) > > > > On 17 February 2016 at 07:58, Michael Hudson-Doyle > > <michael.hud...@canonical.com > <mailto:michael.hud...@canonical.com>> wrote: > >> I have approval for the idea but also decided to wait for > 1.6 and upload > >> that instead. I'm also on leave currently so hopefully this > can all happen > >> in early March. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> mwh > >> > >> On 17/02/2016 1:17 am, "John Meinel" > <j...@arbash-meinel.com <mailto:j...@arbash-meinel.com>> wrote: > >>> To start with, thanks for working on this. However, > doesn't this also > >>> require changing the CI builds to use your ppa? > >>> > >>> What is the current state of this? I was just looking > around and noticed > >>> golang1.5-go isn't in anything specific for Trusty that I > can see. I realize > >>> if its going into an SRU it requires a fair amount of > negotiation with other > >>> teams, so I'm not surprised to see it take a while. I > just wanted to check > >>> how it was going. > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> > >>> John > >>> =:-> > >>> > >>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 7:32 AM, Michael Hudson-Doyle > >>> <michael.hud...@canonical.com > <mailto:michael.hud...@canonical.com>> wrote: > >>>> Hi all, > >>>> > >>>> As part of the plan for getting Go 1.5 into trusty (see here > >>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MichaelHudsonDoyle/Go15InTrusty) > I've built > >>>> packages (called golang1.5-go rather than golang-go) for > trusty in my > >>>> ppa: > >>>> > >>>> > https://launchpad.net/~mwhudson/+archive/ubuntu/go15-trusty/+packages > > <https://launchpad.net/%7Emwhudson/+archive/ubuntu/go15-trusty/+packages> > >>>> > >>>> (assuming 3:1.5.3-0ubuntu4 actually builds... I seem to > be having a > >>>> "make stupid packaging mistakes" day) > >>>> > >>>> I'll write up a SRU bug to start the process of getting > this into > >>>> trusty tomorrow but before it does end up in trusty it > would seem like > >>>> a good idea to run the CI tests using juju-core packages > built with > >>>> this version of the go compiler. Is that something that's > feasible to > >>>> arrange > >>>> > >>>> The only packaging requirement should be to change the > build-depends > >>>> to be on golang1.5-go rather than golang-go or gccgo. > >>>> > >>>> Cheers, > >>>> mwh > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Juju-dev mailing list > >>>> Juju-dev@lists.ubuntu.com <mailto:Juju-dev@lists.ubuntu.com> > >>>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > >>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/juju-dev > >>> > > -- > - > Katherine > > > -- > Juju-dev mailing list > Juju-dev@lists.ubuntu.com <mailto:Juju-dev@lists.ubuntu.com> > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/juju-dev > > > -- > Juju-dev mailing list > Juju-dev@lists.ubuntu.com <mailto:Juju-dev@lists.ubuntu.com> > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/juju-dev > > -- - Katherine
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