In practice, it almost never happens. I don't remember seeing anything actually from the archive break a charm on update -- though the cloud tools pocket did have a breakage about 8 months ago which did bad things.
--Mark Ramm On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Matt Rae <matt....@canonical.com> wrote: > Thanks Dave! > > A downside to disabling upgrades is that users may have a bad experience > if broken packages get installed and their services don't work. Not sure > how often this would happen. > > On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 6:19 AM, David Cheney <david.che...@canonical.com> > wrote: > >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 10:55 PM, Matt Rae <matt....@canonical.com> wrote: >> >>> I don't think the upgrade matters as much as speed. I feel like most >>> users know to manage updates already, with their own policies, and that the >>> fast user experience is important. >>> >>> Even if juju upgrades initially, users will still need to manage updates >>> after, so I'm not sure how much the initial upgrade gains. >>> >>> "Juju is blazing fast!" is more exciting than "Juju makes sure I'm >>> updated initially!" >>> >>> There is something to be said for having the exact same packages on >>> every unit of a service rather than a few units having some versions, then >>> units added later getting different versions. >>> >> >> That happens anyway. Units added later may be built from later releases >> of the cloud image. >> >> >>> >>> >>> Matt >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 12:27 AM, Samuel Cozannet < >>> samuel.cozan...@canonical.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Why not put our perception to the test? >>>> >>>> Here >>>> <https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheets/d/1T-8rf_XxXbvCCRRHT69KtRM5k4oJiHyTEuzbENBU0Js/edit#gid=0> >>>> is a spreadsheet where you can compile your variables. The top line >>>> summarizes the sum of values. The column that gets green is the one we >>>> should go for [assuming we are representative] >>>> >>>> Sam >>>> >>>> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 7:45 AM, John Meinel <j...@arbash-meinel.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> So there is the question of what is the "user experience", and people >>>>> trying out Juju and it seems slow. Though if it is slow, doesn't that mean >>>>> that images are out of date? >>>>> >>>>> I just bootstrapped a fresh Ubuntu from Amazon's web interface today, >>>>> and I noticed that apt-get upgrade on there installed a new bash to fix >>>>> the >>>>> newest major security hole. It seems like it is good to at least apply >>>>> security updates, and I'm not sure if it is easy to only install those. >>>>> >>>>> John >>>>> =:-> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 7:51 AM, José Antonio Rey <j...@ubuntu.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I believe that, as Jorge mentioned, most users do value having >>>>>> everything up to date by default, specially when they may go directly to >>>>>> production environments. Devs may also want to use this switch, as it >>>>>> will >>>>>> save time during the deployment for testing the charms they have >>>>>> developed. >>>>>> >>>>>> I believe that turning on upgrades as a default would be more valued >>>>>> by end-users, but that's just a personal opinion. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> José Antonio Rey >>>>>> On Oct 1, 2014 2:34 PM, "Jorge O. Castro" <jo...@ubuntu.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Kapil Thangavelu >>>>>>> <kapil.thangav...@canonical.com> wrote: >>>>>>> > juju can save minutes per machine (especially against release >>>>>>> images) if we >>>>>>> > turn off upgrades by default. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There are some updates coming to how we build cloud images that might >>>>>>> be relevant to this discussion: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://blog.utlemming.org/2014/08/archive-triggered-cloud-image-builds.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> IMO safer and slower makes sense for most people, those of us who >>>>>>> need >>>>>>> speed for demos/conferences will know about this switch. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Jorge Castro >>>>>>> Canonical Ltd. >>>>>>> http://juju.ubuntu.com/ - Automate your Cloud Infrastructure >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Juju mailing list >>>>>>> Juju@lists.ubuntu.com >>>>>>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/juju >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Juju mailing list >>>>>> Juju@lists.ubuntu.com >>>>>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/juju >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Juju mailing list >>>>> Juju@lists.ubuntu.com >>>>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/juju >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Samuel Cozannet >>>> Cloud, Big Data and IoT Strategy Team >>>> Strategic Program Manager >>>> Changing the Future of Cloud >>>> Ubuntu <http://ubuntu.com> / Canonical <http://canonical.com> UK LTD >>>> samuel.cozan...@canonical.com >>>> +33 616 702 389 >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Juju mailing list >>>> Juju@lists.ubuntu.com >>>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/juju >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Juju mailing list >>> Juju@lists.ubuntu.com >>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/juju >>> >>> >> > > -- > Juju mailing list > Juju@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/juju > >
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