Hello Scott.
Varsha found that bug.
I confirm:
a VNC server running on an emulated Mac have *both* a VNC halo *and*
appear as a device in the "Viewer Settings" of the VNC Service
icon.
- Igor
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott C. Best" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "mailbox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Igor Kotelevsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lyapin Oleg"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Kaboodle-devel"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 2:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Kaboodle-devel] Re: Bug Report, 12 July
> VK:
> I *think* it was you who made changes to the code on
> Monday which let the VNC halo appear on Macs, so I'm replying
> to your email. It may hev been Igor, though, am not sure.
>
> Anyhow, please confirm: a VNC server running on a Mac
> (or on an emulated Mac) should have *both* a VNC halo *and*
> appear as a device in the "Viewer Settings" of the VNC Service
> icon. Right now, it's doing only the first part.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Scott
>
> On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, mailbox wrote:
>
> > Hello Igor,
> > Here is what I have found from debugging the new addition in the
> > CNetworkLocalView::RebuildNIDTopology
> >
> > I think we need to add the following code, as the device of the
Macintosh
> > type cannot get cast to CNIDPC type. The dynamic cast to CNIDPC in
Macintosh
> > type will fail.
> >
> > if (pNidDevice->m_Attributes.m_nType == EF_NID_PC)
> > {
> > CNIDPC* pNidPC = dynamic_cast<CNIDPC*>(pNidDevice);
> > if (pNidPC)
> > pNidPC->GetStringMacAddress(strMacAddress);
> > }
> > else if(pNidDevice->m_Attributes.m_nType == EF_NID_MAC)
> > {
> > CNIDMacintosh* pNidPC = dynamic_cast<CNIDMacintosh*>(pNidDevice);
> > if (pNidPC)
> > pNidPC->GetStringMacAddress(strMacAddress);
> > }
> >
> > same type of changes are required in CMainFrame::OnBeginVncAutoDetection
and
> > CEnumAllDevice::RemoveEqualMacAddressDevice()
> >
> > I have made the changes to my local code snapshot and it working
absolutely
> > fine with the above changes.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Varsha
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Scott C. Best" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Igor Kotelevsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc: "mailbox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lyapin Oleg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> > "Kaboodle-devel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 10:31 AM
> > Subject: [Kaboodle-devel] Re: Bug Report, 12 July
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Sorry, forgot:
> > >
> > > 4. Kaboodle's sniffer code is not reacting correctly to
> > > ARP who-has broadcasts. The effect is that new devices
> > > joining the LAN take almost a minute to be discovered.
> > >
> > > Thanks! Be great to get these bus wrapped up by
> > > this time next week. Then I can release it as version 0.90.
> > >
> > > -Scott
> > >
> > > On Sat, 13 Jul 2002, Scott C. Best wrote:
> > >
> > > > Igor:
> > > > Quick summary of bug status:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Macintosh PC behavior as per below is broken.
> > > >
> > > > 2. Unknown access violation.
> > > >
> > > > 3. At startup, Kaboodle should check to see if another PC
> > > > on the LAN is running Kaboodle. If it is, it should get
> > > > the NID from that PC, and *not* re-run its own network
> > > > discovery. Right now, every PC runs its own LAN discovery,
> > > > and sometimes they come up with different answers.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks!
> > > >
> > > > -Scott
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, Scott C. Best wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Igor:
> > > > > Please try this: in SearchNetworkmanager.cpp, comment
> > > > > out the line "bSame = False;" in the IsMacintosh() function.
> > > > > Now when you run Kaboodle, everything it discovers on the LAN
> > > > > will appear in the "My Macs" icon group. You'll then see what
> > > > > I mean about the VNC halo and the VNC service icon misbehaving.
> > > > >
> > > > > I want there to be no difference between how Kaboodle
> > > > > treats a PC and a Mac *except* for the icon the device gets
> > > > > when it's discoverd and which icon group it's put into.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Scott
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, Igor Kotelevsky wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hello Scott.
> > > > > > That your letter indicates that pseudo emulation of Macintosh
for
> > Kaboodle
> > > > > > is not adequate.
> > > > > > Please ask the author of "Macintosh" specific source code
> > > > > > to check my source code changing and debug it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My pseudo emulation of Macintosh for Kaboodle was very simple.
> > > > > > Kaboodle identifies type of device by means of member
> > > > > > NID_DEVICE_ATTRIBS::m_nType.
> > > > > > That member can be EF_NID_PC, EF_NID_MAC, etc.
> > > > > > I has changed the type of singular fixed device from EF_NID_PC
to
> > EF_NID_MAC
> > > > > > when Kaboodle receives NID data.
> > > > > > You can find that code - it has the macros _MAC_EMULATION in the
> > file
> > > > > > UI\NetworkLocalView.cpp.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Igor
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Scott C. Best" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > To: "Igor Kotelevsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > Cc: "mailbox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lyapin Oleg"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> > > > > > "Kaboodle-devel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 3:57 AM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [Kaboodle-devel] Re: Bog Report, 4 July
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Igor:
> > > > > > > I checked your code changes today, and my Macintosh
> > > > > > > has not gotten a VNC halo. Sorry.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > How did you emulate the device? You should be able to do
> > > > > > > it by giving one of your PC's a MAC address which is within
the
> > MAC
> > > > > > > address range that's assigned to Apple. Their range is
specified
> > > > > > > here: "http://standards.ieee.org/cgi-bin/ouisearch";.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Should I ask VK to debug this?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -Scott
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, Igor Kotelevsky wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hello Scott.
> > > > > > > > I made some changes into "Macintosh" specific source code.
> > > > > > > > As I wrote earlier, I don't have really Macintosh,
> > > > > > > > so I has executed certain programmer pseudo emulation
> > > > > > > > of Macintosh for Kaboodle.
> > > > > > > > Now I see VNC halo on my "Macintosh" emulation device.
> > > > > > > > But that programmer pseudo emulation is not quite safely.
> > > > > > > > Therefore I ask you about following:
> > > > > > > > - please check results of my changing
> > > > > > > > (please clear Kaboodle registry key before that check),
> > > > > > > > - please ask the author of "Macintosh" specific source code
> > > > > > > > to check my source code changing.
> > > > > > > > Please see my inline comments.
> > > > > > > > - Igor
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: "Scott C. Best" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > To: "Igor Kotelevsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > Cc: "mailbox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> > > > > > "Kaboodle-devel"
> > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 8:32 PM
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Kaboodle-devel] Re: Bog Report, 4 July
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Igor:
> > > > > > > > > Let me try to explain (I'm CC'ing Oleg too, who
> > > > > > > > > sometimes has better luck understanding my english).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > My Macintosh is running VNC. The Macintosh IP address
> > > > > > > > > is 192.168.123.128. I'm running Kaboodle on a WinNT
machine.
> > It
> > > > > > > > > has IP address 192.168.123.130. There is nothing else on
this
> > > > > > > > > LAN. When I start Kaboodle, it correctly puts a Macintosh
icon
> > > > > > > > > into the "My Macs" icon group. But the icon does not have
a
> > VNC
> > > > > > > > > halo. When I open the Property Panel for the Macintosh,
and go
> > > > > > > > > to the VNC Property Tab, Kaboodle auto-detects the VNC
server
> > > > > > > > > correctly. I can enter a password and hit Connect and VNC
> > starts
> > > > > > > > > like it should. But if I open the VNC Service Property
Panel,
> > > > > > > > > the Macintosh is not listed in the list of servers. And
> > although
> > > > > > > > > the VNC server has been detected, there is no halo on the
> > > > > > > > > Macintosh icon. If I change the icon to a Windows PC icon,
the
> > > > > > > > > halo still does not appear.
> > > > > > > >
> > ********************************************************************
> > > > > > > > It was before changing:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Please see the function
> > > > > > > > void CNetworkLocalView::RebuildNIDTopology(int nIndex)
> > > > > > > > in the file UI\NetworkLocalView.cpp.
> > > > > > > > In that function exists block
> > > > > > > > case EF_NID_PC: ...
> > > > > > > > That block checks both binary flags
> > > > > > > > 1) - bool bIsIndependentVncListner,
> > > > > > > > which indicate that independent Vnc Server is running on PC.
> > > > > > > > 2) - bool bKaboodleRunning,
> > > > > > > > which indicate that Kaboodle is running on PC,
> > > > > > > > Then that block creates a PC icon -
> > > > > > > > AddPC( ..., ..., bKaboodleRunning, bIsIndependentVncListner,
> > ...);
> > > > > > > > The PC icon knows data #1, #2 and can show "VNC halo" or
> > "Kaboodle
> > > > > > halo".
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In the function
> > > > > > > > void CNetworkLocalView::RebuildNIDTopology(int nIndex)
> > > > > > > > also exist block
> > > > > > > > case EF_NID_MAC: ...
> > > > > > > > That block doesn't checks flags #1, #2 directly.
> > > > > > > > This block immediately creates a MAC icon -
> > > > > > > >
AddMacintosh(pDevAttribs->m_DeviceID,pDevAttribs->m_strAlias,
> > > > > > > > pDevAttribs->m_iconIndex);//@VK9
> > > > > > > > The MAC icon doesn't knows data #1, #2 and can not show "VNC
> > halo" or
> > > > > > > > "Kaboodle halo".
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > ********************************************************************
> > > > > > > > It is now:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In the function
> > > > > > > > void CNetworkLocalView::RebuildNIDTopology(int nIndex)
> > > > > > > > exist common block for PC and MAC devices
> > > > > > > > case EF_NID_PC:
> > > > > > > > case EF_NID_MAC: ...
> > > > > > > > That block call the function
> > > > > > > > CEFIcon * CNetworkLocalView::AddPC_or_Macintosh(...,
> > > > > > > > bool bKaboodleRunning, bool bVncListner,int iconIndex, int
> > iType)
> > > > > > > > for both types of device.
> > > > > > > >
> > ********************************************************************
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If I replace the Macintosh with a Windows98 PC that is
> > > > > > > > > running VNC but is not running Kaboodle, it works
correctly.
> > > > > > > > > The VNC halo appears when it should, and the VNC Server
list
> > > > > > > > > shows the IP address of the Win98 PC. Also, the Property
Panel
> > > > > > > > > for PC's show four tabs: System Info, Components, VNC
Setup,
> > > > > > > > > and Icon Properties. For Mac's, there are only three (the
> > > > > > > > > Components one is missing). If I change the Win98 PC's
icon
> > > > > > > > > to a Macintosh icon, the VNC halo still works correctly.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I think this behavior is due to Kaboodle treating
> > > > > > > > > Macintosh's different from the Win98 PC. That is, it seems
to
> > me
> > > > > > > > > that the NID identifier which tells Kaboodle to put the
> > Macintosh
> > > > > > > > > into the "My Macs" icon group is *also* telling Kaboodle
to
> > not
> > > > > > > > > treat the device like a Windows PC with regards to VNC and
in
> > > > > > > > > regards to what tabs to show in the Property Panel.
Kaboodle
> > > > > > > > > should treat Macintosh PC's and non-Kaboodle PC's the same
in
> > > > > > > > > *every way* except for the icon group and the "System
Info"
> > tab
> > > > > > > > > in the Property Panel.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Put another way, Kaboodle should treat all devices that
> > > > > > > > > are not Printers or Appliances in the same way. Any one of
> > these
> > > > > > > > > PC's (running Windows, MacOS, Linux, whatever) can have a
VNC
> > > > > > > > > halo. All of these PC's which are not running Kaboodle
should
> > > > > > > > > have the same list of Property Tabs: System Info, VNC
Setup,
> > and
> > > > > > > > > Icon Properties ("Components" should only appear on
machines
> > that
> > > > > > > > > are running Kaboodle). All of these PC's which are not
running
> > > > > > > > > Kaboodle should be able to get a Kaboodle halo if a user
on
> > > > > > > > > that PC started up the application.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Put another way, Kaboodle should treat the other devices
> > > > > > > > > that it detects on the LAN in one of four ways: the device
is
> > > > > > > > > either a computer running Kaboodle, a computer not running
> > > > > > > > > Kaboodle, a printer, or an appliance. For the second group
> > > > > > > > > (PC's not running Kaboodle), the *only* reason that
Kaboodle
> > > > > > > > > tries to detect what operating system is running is so
that
> > > > > > > > > it can give the device a good icon. After assigning the
device
> > > > > > > > > a default icon and putting the icon into an icon group,
> > Kaboodle
> > > > > > > > > should stop treating a Macintosh differently from a Linux
PC
> > > > > > > > > or from a Windows PC not running Kaboodle.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Please let me know this "bug report" makes any more
> > > > > > > > > sense now. Thanks!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -Scott
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Igor Kotelevsky wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Hello Scott.
> > > > > > > > > > I don't understand the bug.
> > > > > > > > > > Your sounds is like
> > > > > > > > > > - "my Macintosh running VNC, but other Kaboodle don't
know
> > that" or,
> > > > > > > > > > - "my Macintosh running Kaboodle, ...".
> > > > > > > > > > May be you install some kind of OS Windows emulator on
> > Macintosh?
> > > > > > > > > > Please send me:
> > > > > > > > > > - LAN configuration, including type of computer and type
of
> > OS,
> > > > > > > > > > - description what computers running Kaboodle,
> > > > > > > > > > - your screen shot (the image that you see);
> > > > > > > > > > - description what you _must_ see on the screen;
> > > > > > > > > > - Igor
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > > From: "Scott C. Best" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > > > To: "Igor Kotelevsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > > > Cc: "mailbox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Kaboodle-devel"
> > > > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 8:52 AM
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Kaboodle-devel] Re: Bog Report, 4 July
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Igor:
> > > > > > > > > > > I checked today, and my Macintosh is still not being
> > > > > > > > > > > treated like a PC in regards to VNC. Perhaps we should
fix
> > > > > > > > > > > this again, this time from the "icon code" or "NID
type"
> > point
> > > > > > > > > > > of view.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > -Scott
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 9 Jul 2002, Scott C. Best wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Igor:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Okay, I think you've found the problem then.
Macintosh
> > PC's
> > > > > > > > > > > > really should be treated as just a subset of PC's.
The
> > *only*
> > > > > > > > > > > > difference should be that, at startup, they are
given a
> > > > > > different
> > > > > > > > > > > > icon and put into a different Icon group. But
*that's
> > all*. So
> > > > > > > > > > > > it sounds like your changes to CEnumAllDevice are
> > correct. It
> > > > > > > > > > > > may have been easier to just have changed the "icon
> > code"
> > > > > > instead.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Really, there are only three types of devices: PC's
(ie,
> > > > > > > > > > > > something that can run Kaboodle *or* VNC; Windows,
> > MacOs, Linux,
> > > > > > > > > > > > whatever), Printers, and Appliances (eg, a LinkSys
> > router). This
> > > > > > > > > > > > "type" field should be one of the first-most fields
of
> > the NID,
> > > > > > > > > > > > I would think.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Ideally, the user should be able to *change* the
auto-
> > > > > > > > > > > > detected type of a device in the "Icon Property"
> > PropTab. If
> > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > > > > > change, say, what we detected as a Printer to a PC,
not
> > only
> > > > > > should
> > > > > > > > > > > > they be able to change the icon, but the "VNC Tab"
> > should appear
> > > > > > > > > > > > in the PropPanel the next time it's opened.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > -Scott
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 9 Jul 2002, Igor Kotelevsky wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Scott.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > You wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. If I startup a VNC server on a PC not
running
> > > > > > Kaboodle, I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can go the the PropPanel for that device
and
> > connect.
> > > > > > No
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem. But the VNC Service icon is not
> > listing the
> > > > > > > > device
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as a server, and the VNC halo is not
being
> > put on the
> > > > > > > > device
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > correctly.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I saw similar bugs.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was several days earlier.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've some more data. It only happens for me now
if
> > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > VNC server is running on a Mac. I've got two
other
> > machines
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > my LAN that run VNC: a Mac and a WinNT laptop.
The
> > WinNT box
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is treated correctly by Kaboodle: it gets a VNC
halo
> > and it
> > > > > > gets
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > listed in the VNC servers in the VNC service
icon.
> > The Mac,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > though, doesn't get either. I can use Kaboodle
to
> > VNC into
> > > > > > it,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > but only if I go thru the device's icon.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps some of the code is looking at the
"type"
> > field
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the NID, and only reacting to PC's, not
Mac's?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
*****************************************************
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know "MAC" part of Kaboodle's
specification,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > so all my discourses carry the approximate nature.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
*****************************************************
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Kaboodle source code has 30 strings which contain
> > "type" field
> > > > > > > > > > *EF_NID_PC*.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > If your assumption is valid, then I think
following.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Please see the class CEnumAllDevice in the file
> > > > > > > > > > EF\ModifyRegWinVNC.cpp.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > In the header file you can found following:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > // This class enumerates all local object
CNIDDevice
> > which is
> > > > > > PC.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > // Own PC non include in this list.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > That class enumerated PC device only.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > The MAC objects were absent in Kaboodle when I
wrote
> > that
> > > > > > class.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me that now the class CEnumAllDevice
has
> > to
> > > > > > enumerate
> > > > > > > > MAC
> > > > > > > > > > > > > device also.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I added that enumerating into the class
> > CEnumAllDevice.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > But I must to underline next.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Current Kaboodle source code uses the class
> > CEnumAllDevice in
> > > > > > > > > > following
> > > > > > > > > > > > > cases:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) - for VNC autodetection;
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) - for filling list of VNC service icon;
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) - for filling list of "Modify list" dialog
> > > > > > > > > > > > > (please see "VNC setup" prop tab on server side);
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) - for filling list of File Transfer service
icon;
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 5) - for filling list of "Accept files only from
> > machines
> > > > > > in..."
> > > > > > > > > > dialog
> > > > > > > > > > > > > (please see "Receive file" prop tab in File
Transfer
> > service
> > > > > > > > icon).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Now all of #1-#5 will include not only PC devices,
but
> > also
> > > > > > MAC
> > > > > > > > > > devices.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Please let me know if it is not correct.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
*****************************************************
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, I didn't have a MAC PC in my LAN, so I
cannot
> > check
> > > > > > above.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
*****************************************************
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Some other developers (I and Oleg) saw that bug on
non
> > MAC PC.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > So I think that source code have also other NID
> > updating bug.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > -Igor
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