El dijous, 23 de juliol de 2020, a les 23:49:23 CEST, Valorie Zimmerman va escriure: > I had another thought hours after I sent my reply to Albert. What if we > create a list for KDE listowners to which all listowners and mods are > subscribed? That way we can approach issues as a team, share resources and > problems, ask one another for coverage during planned absences, etc. > > We had a list like this at Rootsweb, a free genealogy community, and it > generally worked well. RW also used Mailman software before closing the > lists recently. I've moved most of my former lists to Groups.io which is a > splendid platform. I very much wish it was Free software! > > It seems like a lits would be a more stable way to approach the issue than > an annual inquiry email. > > Thoughts?
I think a listowners list may be interesting to explore, but i don't see how it solves the "3 of the 4 list owners of okular-devel have gone away" problem. We still need to ping them, don't we? Cheers, Albert > > Valorie > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 1:38 AM Ben Cooksley <bcooks...@kde.org> wrote: > > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 4:55 PM Valorie Zimmerman > > <valorie.zimmer...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 3:31 PM Albert Astals Cid <aa...@kde.org> wrote: > > >> > > >> Dear Community, > > >> > > >> One important part of mailing lists being healthy is > > owners/moderators[1]. > > >> > > >> They moderate the lists, they help users that want to > > subscribe/unsubscribe but don't know how to, they enact emergency > > moderation in the very very seldom case that it is needed, etc. > > >> > > >> So to keep our mailing lists healthy we need to be sure to have healthy > > list owners. > > >> > > >> In plural, more than one, because from time to time, we go on vacation > > and the list duties still need taking care of. > > >> > > >> For that I'd like to enact this policy: > > >> > > >> Mailing lists should have at least 2 active owners, ideally 3 > > [Obviously exceptions apply, like if we just started a mailing list to > > coordinate translators for a language that has no translation in KDE yet, > > we'd probably have no way to get 2 list owners] > > >> > > >> One keyword in that sentence is "active". > > >> > > >> Mailing list ownership/moderation un-activity is hard to detect. > > >> > > >> One way to potentially detect it, is by those summaries that sysadmin > > sends periodically for lists with lots of mails to moderate, but that > > doesn't cover all the cases. > > >> > > >> For example, it's possible that a mailing list has 2 owners and only > > one of them is inactive, since the other one is keeping the list in working > > condition we don't see it as a problem, but if that person goes on holiday, > > then it suddenly is. > > >> > > >> For that I'd like to enact this policy sub-point: > > >> > > >> Mailing list owners will be contacted every year asking if they are > > still active and if they want to continue being list owner or if they'd > > prefer we find a substitute. > > >> > > >> If they say "please find a substitute" or fail to answer in a given > > time frame (I'd say a month is fair), they will be removed as owners and in > > case the "at least 2 active owners, ideally 3" policy is broken we'll find > > a new person. > > >> > > >> Does that sound something like we could agree on? > > > > > > > > > I think this is a good idea. > > > > > >> Then the big question is "who will do this work?" Because it seems > > quite a bit of work (albeit only once a year). I would suggest the > > Community Working Group does this, as it's a way to keep our community > > healthy, but i understand it's quite some work, so i volunteer to do it if > > the CWG doesn't feel this is a task they want to take on. > > > > > > > > > As a member of CWG, I think that this is a suitable task for us, and I'm > > willing to do it. However, surely there is a master list of all the lists > > and who the stated owners and mods are. If so, can't the sending be done > > somewhat automatically? With the answers going to the CWG or whoever, to > > find replacement people. > > > > > > > You'd need a way of catching the exceptions - the people who don't reply > > though. > > Not sure how easy that would be to automate, but it's probably possible. > > > > In terms of getting a list of all lists, we can provide one of those > > (it's attached). I'm not sure if Mailman provides anything out of the > > box that lists who the owners of a list are though. > > > > >> Things I'm missing? > > > > > > > > > Healthy lists are somewhat active. While a major protective duty of > > owners and mods is to keep spam out and keep conversations moving in a > > positive way, another is to keep the list active by bringing to it > > appropriate topics of discussion. I don't want that forgotten. Too often > > issues are discussed in IRC and never brought to the list where they ought > > to be. > > > > > >> Improvement suggestions? > > >> > > >> Cheers, > > >> Albert > > >> > > >> [1] yes, i know they are not the same, but since one is a subset of the > > other, let's pretend they are. > > > > > > > > > I would like to hear from Sysadmin how many lists we have and how many > > owners and if there is a way to automatically send an email to all owners > > along with the names of the lists they administer. > > > > > > Valorie > > > > Cheers, > > Ben > > > > > > > > -- > > > http://about.me/valoriez - pronouns: she/her > > > > > > > > > > >