On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 8:39 PM Vincent Pinon <vpi...@kde.org> wrote:
> > Le 22/05/2023 à 10:24, Ben Cooksley a écrit : > > On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 10:05 AM argonel <argo...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Sun, May 21, 2023 at 3:12 PM Ben Cooksley <bcooks...@kde.org> wrote: >> > >> > On Sun, May 21, 2023 at 10:42 PM Christian (Fuchs) <k...@fuchsnet.ch> >> wrote: >> >> >> Bouncer wise: 30 connections isn't exactly none, especially if that >> contains >> >> active people. These would be forced to migrate to a service (and >> register at >> >> such) which is not under KDEs control and, as far as I am aware, has a >> >> mandatory registration. As far as memory serves some communities, >> e.g. I >> >> think krita, still had active devs / maintainers on IRC. >> > >> > >> > Yes, there is a cost-benefit analysis to all services we run however - >> and if there is a minimal number of people benefiting from it, sometimes it >> is time to retire a service. >> > >> > Note that the 30 I quoted was a count of TCP connections - so included >> inbound and outbound links. >> > The number of connected clients is much, much smaller - so it is >> possible there are some IRC connections still active for people that are no >> longer around, or who have moved to Matrix and not deactivated the BNC. >> >> I would argue that the low usage is in part due to lack of awareness. >> It has a one-line mention on the "Internet Relay Chat" community wiki >> page (which wasn't added until 2019) that doesn't even explain the >> benefits of using it. >> >> IRC in combination with the BNC is much more suited to intermittent >> usage than Matrix is, which currently obligates the user to "be >> active" every 30 days, or risk (permanently!) losing access to the >> entirety of the history of all of their joined channels (even the >> parts for which they were present). The BNC happily buffers the text >> until your client is able to reconnect. As an example, this allowed me >> to read discussions that happened while I endured an extended power >> outage, even when Matrix had decided that I was idle for "too long". >> > > Not sure what the bots do on the IRC side, but this kicking due to > inactivity is actually due to IRC and the bridging between it and Matrix. > It isn't an issue of Matrix itself as a protocol / software stack - it is > a limitation imposed on the Matrix side to help Libera.chat with connection > load. > > >> >> So instead of shuttering the service, I recommend that more attention >> be drawn to it. >> > > There are currently 114 people registered to use the BNC, so it appears to > be rather well known among our community members. > The decline in it's usage has correlated rather well with the rise of > Matrix, so it appears that those that favour a BNC type experience find > Matrix works just as well / better. > > Thanks, > Ben > > Hello, > > This conversation made me realize I still had BNC activated for my > account, despite not connecting to IRC anymore for long (and to matrix > neither recently, my participation is rather on pause for the moment). > > It is not clear on the BNC UI, nor on community wiki, how to close the > account. I just unregistered libera from BNC, but don't see how to > completely close the service for me? > > Thanks again for taking care of all these services! > You're not able to remove your own BNC account - please file a ticket and we'll action that. > Vincent > Cheers, Ben