On 5 Jan 2015, at 10:40, Jan Kundrát wrote:
On Monday, 5 January 2015 16:23:15 CEST, Thomas Lübking wrote:
To sum up my understanding:
- Nobody wants to install/use PHP (or, good god, .NET/Mono ;-) on a
client.
- Nobody remotely intends to *require* this (but one can oc. *offer*
tools written on any whatsoever exotic requirement)
Phabricator has an equivalent of rbtools/rbt called Arcanist which is
written in PHP. There are AFAIK no other tools for automating working
with Phabricator's code review subsystem.
No, but it's all API driven so you are free to write whatever tools you
may like.
I claim that requiring PHP or JVM or .NET for each
developers'/contributors' productive work is bad.
I claim that "apt-get install php5-cli" is not any more difficult than
any other package installations developers may have to perform. Since
you brought up Java, if we were talking about a Java tool, I would make
the same claim about "apt-get install (your pick of default-jre,
default-jre-headless, openjdk-7-jre)". .NET, "apt-get install
mono-runtime".
Jeff's response is that PHP is not really required because they can
just juggle patches by hand and paste them to web interfaces or pipe
to `git am`. While this is technically correct, I find this logic
misleading
So is your characterization of my claims. For one, I've never said
anything about juggling patches by hand or piping to "git am", only
about web interfaces.
You have claimed that for the occasional contributor with one to two
patches a year that installing such a tool is onerous. I disagree with
that, but regardless, I've said that submitting patches via a web
interface should be perfectly fine for such occasional contributors and
that those that will want the power of the CLI tool are likely to be
more advanced developers/contributors -- who I don't believe would find
the setup of such a tool to be difficult or onerous.
I do not claim that in a Phabricator world that advanced/regular
developers would be required to always copy and paste diffs into a web
UI (and realistically if using the web UI you'd probably save the diff
to a file and then just upload it). Those that prefer such a workflow
could use it. Those that don't -- and that don't have unwavering
language preferences for their tools -- would have command-line options.
and say that in absence of tools which are on-par with Arcanist, PHP
is effectively required, and I do find this situation a downside of
Phabricator.
Your hatred of PHP is well noted. I do not feel so strongly as you about
the languages in which useful tools are written. As I said before, I
can't speak for the broader KDE development community about that (and I
doubt you can either).
I also point out that there are other tools which do not require a
client-side PHP script.
Yes, you've made that abundantly clear.
--Jeff
