Hi, 2012/12/10 Dion Moult: > On Monday, December 10, 2012 10:50:33 Frank Reininghaus wrote: >> Hi Anne, >> >> I agree with aht the others said in this thread. Just one more thing: >> >> 2012/12/9 Anne Wilson: >> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> > Hash: SHA1 >> > >> > On 09/12/12 13:50, Frank Reininghaus wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> 2012/12/8 Dion Moult: >> >>> Hello all, >> >>> >> >>> On occasion (less actively nowadays) I prune the KDE brainstorm >> >>> section. For those who don't know, the KDE forums have a section >> >>> called Brainstorm, where the users can submit ideas and vote on >> >>> them. >> >> >> >> first of all, thanks for your work! I think that the brainstorm >> >> section of the forums is a very useful tool for the discussion of >> >> possible new features. >> >> >> >>> One of the things I rarely get to do is move submitted ideas into >> >>> the "In progress" or "Done" sections. This makes me feel that >> >>> developers simply aren't looking at the Brainstorm and >> >>> essentially, users are ignored through this medium. >> >>> >> >>> As I care very much about the success of the brainstorm and that >> >>> users actually see that they are being acted upon, and since I >> >>> have been moderating the section for a long time (I've somewhat >> >>> become a walking search tool for duplicate ideas!), I want to try >> >>> and make it work better. >> >>> >> >>> Because I cannot force developers to try and integrate it into >> >>> their workflow if they haven't already, here is my proposal: >> >>> >> >>> If you are the lead developer on a certain section of KDE, such >> >>> as plasma, activites, kontact, etc, please send me an appropriate >> >>> way to contact you. >> >> >> >> I think that unless any maintainer tells you something else, ideas >> >> from KDE brainstorm that are discussed in the forum and considered >> >> useful should be reported as wishlist items at bugs.kde.org. >> >> >> >>> Every so often, I will pick the users top choices that seem >> >>> plausible and will bring them to _you_, and discuss how to evolve >> >>> the idea into something that could be implemented. Then we can >> >>> open up an enhancement bug report in BKO, and start getting some >> >>> brainstorm ideas along the Submitted->In progress->Done chain. >> >> >> >> Of course it would be nice to see more ideas in the 'Done' >> >> section. But please note that discussing ideas in the forum and >> >> then reporting them at bugs.kde.org is by no means a guarantee that >> >> the idea will really be implemented, even if everyone (including >> >> the maintainer) agrees that the idea is good. Writing the code, >> >> testing it and merging it into master usually takes a considerable >> >> amount of time. If you only have a bit of spare time to work on >> >> KDE, and your inbox is always packed with mails from bugs.kde.org, >> >> then you cannot implement many ideas :-( >> > >> > There is a perception that devs don't listen. This is not a >> > complaint, on my part, but a statement of fact. >> >> Well, I can't speak for all developers, but on my side, there is a >> perception that some people believe "If I have a good idea, it will >> either be implemented by the maintainer of the application, or it will >> not be implemented at all, and then the maintainer has to provide an >> explanation why he/she won't implement it". This is confirmed by... >> >> > I'm wondering if it >> > is not impossible to set up a semi-automated service that would >> > respond to such wishes, perhaps with the dev selecting from >> > >> > a) sounds good, but frankly it's too complicated for the time available >> > b) sounds good. I'll put it on my to-do list, but bug-fixing takes >> > priority >> > c) I will discuss this idea with my co-developers >> >> ...the lack of an option >> >> d) Sounds good. Patches welcome! >> >> In your list. >> >> But then I also have to agree with what Martin says: > > Did I miss a response? (I am not subscribed) > >> a large number of >> the wishes reported on bugs.kde.org does not make much sense, and I >> already spend quite a bit of time explaining to at least some of the >> reporters why their particular wish will not be implemented. If I >> provided that kind of response for every Dolphin wish report on >> bugs.kde.org, then there wouldn't be much time left for the more >> important things (like patch review and bug fixes). >> >> Best regards, >> Frank > > Hello Frank & Anne, > > So from what I gather, I should start submitting bugs which reference popular > ideas to BKO, and hopefully somebody can implement a boiler response to > WISHLIST items on BKO so that it is easier for devs to respond to it. > > If I am submitting on behalf of Brainstorm entries, I can hopefully moderate > it so that the ones that are submitted _do_ make sense. Perhaps I may not know > how technically difficult it is, but I can at least ensure that there is a > usecase and that its implications have been thought out. > > How does this sound?
Sounds good to me! But note that I can't really speak for all KDE projects. Best regards, Frank >> Visit http://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-devel#unsub to unsubscribe <<
