On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 4:45 AM, Ian Wadham <iandw...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Sune,
>
> Thanks for replying, Sune.
>
> On 30/06/2014, at 11:37 PM, Sune Vuorela wrote:
> > On 2014-06-28, Ian Wadham <iandw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> When fixing some bugs in the KCrash-DrKonqi sequence on Apple OS X,
> >> I have come to a point where Dr Konqi attempts to call kded4, using
> DBus,
> >> and issues a message "Failed to communicate with kded. Make sure it is
> running."
> >
> > In the kdelibs4.x-age, yes. kded should be running all the time no
> matter what.
>
> In Linux and a KDE desktop manager, that is fine: kded4 is part of the
> structure
> of a KDE desktop manager.  But in Apple OS X (or other desktop managers),
> that
> should not be a requirement, if KDE is to be truly portable.
>
> Other desktop managers have their own ways of handling directory and file
> changes,
> battery level updates, device mounts, software update registration or
> whatever.  So
> maybe kded4 is not really needed at all on such platforms.
>
> In particular, the absence of kded4 should not prevent a user from
> reporting
> a crash in a KDE application on Apple OS X or any other desktop manager,
> should it?  I don't think *anything* should prevent that… :-)
>
> I do not think it is reasonable to ask the MacPorts developers to include
> kded4 in startup procedures for every user, on the off chance that he or
> she will use a KDE app sometime and that app will crash.
>
> So I will proceed to patch around the requirement for kded4 in Dr Konqi in
> Apple OS X, unless someone has a better idea or can point out some more
> frequent and vital need for kded4 in a non-KDE desktop manager.
>
> > Unfortunately, it isn't refcounting its users so it is running like
> forever.
>
> Cheers, Ian W.
>
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Yes, I agree that with portability in mind, requiring a kded running with
some services kills the mood quite a bit.

Patches are welcome indeed, although I wonder whether it wouldn't be
interesting to look into this on KF5 already, but maybe it just doesn't
make a difference.

Aleix
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