Am 19.09.22 um 14:57 schrieb Neal Gompa:
On Sat, Sep 10, 2022 at 5:41 AM Reindl Harald <h.rei...@thelounge.net> wrote:
Am 09.09.22 um 11:42 schrieb samuel ammonius:
Thanks. I hadn't thought of a lot of these issues before.
I think the biggest one is that If there's an update that the package
manager didn'tknow about, the user would have to update right after installing,
and
the bug would come back if the user re-installed or updated the app. Sorry
everybody
no the biggest issue on the userside is that nobody wants every random
application tamper the system
if i want applications asking me about updates i could have stayed at
windows and "yum upgrade" was the main reason for Linux
when you open that can of worms imagine where it ends
security wise it's a nightmare because you not only have the
distribution you need to trust - intrusion on any upstream would
directly hit you at any random point in time while distribution updates
are usually tested at least by some people and changes reviewed by
downstream maintainers
and who does the work and deal with bugreports "the update of kate
destroyed it on my system and i don't know why nor how i revert it"
with the package manager i type "dnf downgrade kate", file a bug against
the distribution and kde upstream isn't involved at all
upstream opensource developers write the code, that's it, they don't and
shouldn't need to care about every downstream distribution and it's
pitfalls - it's wasted time because that's what downstream component
maintainers are for
the fedora maintainer from kde likely has no knowledge about Gentoo,
Ubuntu, SuSE for good reasons and you think blow that load to upstream
developers would help anybody?
Well, actually, most of us do know each other and we do collaborate
from time to time. I personally know Fabian Vogt (the maintainer of
the KDE stack in SUSE distributions) and I talk to Rik Mills (the
Kubuntu maintainer) every once in a while. Same goes for Mageia,
OpenMandriva, Debian, and others.
don't change the fact that downstream and upstream are different worlds
at the end of the day when it comes to apply a bufix patch
Admittedly, I don't know who works on KDE Plasma for Gentoo, but I'm
peripherally aware of their work.
As maintainers of KDE software in our respective distributions, it's
our job to bring our concerns upstream as needed. But also, when
distributions have a conflict, we *all* have to work together to
figure out a solution. If we don't, we risk a situation where KDE
eventually evolves into other similarly-sized desktop environment
projects where they give the downstream stakeholders the finger
because they don't trust them.
but the proposed idea was BYPASS you and apply updates directly from
upstream
Also, many of the upstream KDE Plasma developers are in fact distro
developers. It's not the majority anymore like it was in the old days,
but a good chunk of them are.
but hardly the majority and even if that could change any time -
especailly for small bugfix patches it's irrelevant when one comes to
the idea apply them directly from upstream up to "build them local from
source automagically"
the general rule is "upstream is upstream, distro is distro" and for the
sake of god that don#t mean they don't talk to each other
